Pennsylvania R.R. Let's see them!

@Randy Harrison posted:

I am a non-recovering PRR junky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Randy is that a Santa Fe?? LOL Nice fleet!

@Sitka posted:

Randy is that a Santa Fe?? LOL Nice fleet!

That F3 gives new meaning to Pennsylvania Railroad Lines West!

@Sitka posted:

Randy is that a Santa Fe?? LOL Nice fleet!

@Sitka

They are both leaving Christoplis Union Station that serves many railroads for connections to the rest of the nation.

@Randy Harrison posted:

@Sitka

They are both leaving Christoplis Union Station that serves many railroads for connections to the rest of the nation.

Makes perfect sense, Randy. The PRR had passenger cars marked Pennsylvania, but in the livery of other lines which were used on connecting service. The Broadway Limited sometimes carried Santa Fe cars for connection to The Chief in Chicago. Lionel made a couple of 2-Packs a few years ago and I picked up the PRR - Santa Fe set in somewhat drab gray!!!

@Apples55 posted:

Makes perfect sense, Randy. The PRR had passenger cars marked Pennsylvania, but in the livery of other lines which were used on connecting service. The Broadway Limited sometimes carried Santa Fe cars for connection to The Chief in Chicago. Lionel made a couple of 2-Packs a few years ago and I picked up the PRR - Santa Fe set in somewhat drab gray!!!

Apples, when you get a chance can you post those 2-packs PRR-Santa Fe set in gray, like to see them thanks. Mark

@Sitka posted:

Apples, when you get a chance can you post those 2-packs PRR-Santa Fe set in gray, like to see them thanks. Mark

My pleasure, Mark… just happened to find a pic on my iPad. From something I read online, they used the SF gray color since the bulk of the trip was on The Chief. The cars are 21” and the item number is 2027490.

@Apples55 posted:

My pleasure, Mark… just happened to find a pic on my iPad. From something I read online, they used to SF gray color since the bulk of the trip was on The Chief. The cars are 21” and the item number is 2027490.

Thanks Paul, boy do they look odd being in gray, have to look online to find some pictures. Thanks for the reply Mark

@Sitka posted:

Thanks Paul, boy do they look odd being in gray, have to look online to find some pictures. Thanks for the reply Mark

Your comment got me thinking, Mark. Did a little digging… no pics, but some interesting info from the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society. In addition to the PRR, NYC, and B&O had cars that ran on The Chief!!!

https://old.atsfrr.org/resourc...ansconPass/Index.htm

@Apples55 posted:

Your comment got me thinking, Mark. Did a little digging… no pics, but some interesting info from the Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society. In addition to the PRR, NYC, and B&O had cars that ran on The Chief!!!

https://old.atsfrr.org/resourc...ansconPass/Index.htm

Thanks Paul great info, just got done at looking at that site you posted thanks. Was looking last night for photos it was a No Go Thanks again Mark

@Sitka posted:

Thanks Paul great info, just got done at looking at that site you posted thanks. Was looking last night for photos it was a No Go Thanks again Mark

The history of through sleepers in general is a fascinating one.  Pick a famous name train of the late 1940's through the mid 1950's or so and there is a good chance that the PRR had a sleeper painted for that train with PRR markings on the small letterboards near the vestibule or on the large centerboard.  I'll need to find a link to it, but there is a great photo of a PRR train passing through the Horseshoe curve with Golden State sleeper Imperial Terrace on the rear.

One of the new Lionel Pennsy M1’s…

I posted a few more pics here: https://ogrforum.com/topic/307...8#185705974697354598

@Apples55 posted:

One of the new Lionel Pennsy M1’s…

I posted a few more pics here: https://ogrforum.com/topic/307...8#185705974697354598

Sweet engine! just took a peek at the other topic, big engine and tender! Nice!   Mark

What could have been if the Pennsy was around in 1976.

MTH GG1 and K-Line caboose.

Thought I'd do one last post of them as I hope someone buys them off FS board.

@CAPPilot - Ron, I could not agree more, what happened to the PRR in 1968 in its merger with the NYC was a crime!! I just finished reading..."No Way to Run a Railroad" by Stephen Salsbury.  If you are interested in a true discussion of what happened leading up to the bankruptcy then you should read this book.  It is absolutely tragic what the leadership of these two great business institutions did primarily to assuage and boost their personal ego's (and likely their pocketbook).  They destroyed an American icon.  It is truly tragic and should have been criminal but despite all sorts of investigations the key leaders escaped unscathed blaming others for their failure.

Don

Don,

Riding the Pennsy to Ruin, by the Wall Street Journal, is another well written close-up of the ill-fated merger.

Tom

@PRR8976 posted:

Don,

Riding the Pennsy to Ruin, by the Wall Street Journal, is another well written close-up of the ill-fated merger.

Tom

While the Penn Central and later Conrail is out of the scope of this thread, I'll simply add that the PRR was headed for some form of rationalization regardless of the PC merger or not.  The railroad had too many redundant routes, a worn-out physical plant, too many mandated passenger routes that lost money on every run, and was a bellwether for decline in the entire industry.  Amtrak and Conrail both lead to very important legislation that allowed the railroads to ultimately thrive and the problems of the Penn Central ultimately lead to the creation of both railroads.  We would have gotten there eventually PC or not.

Having said that, PC was truly a corporate disaster.  No question.  Why two arch enemies ever agreed to merge is just beyond all reason.  The reality of internal red teams and green teams shows just how dysfunctional the entire merger was.  In the late 1950's, N&W and C&O rightfully ran away from the rapidly declining PRR and NYC respectively when they were initially discussing mergers.  It is kind of funny that when Conrail was sold, a large portion of former the PRR went to NS and a large portion of the former NYC went to CSX.     

@Apples55,

Would you call the light on your beautiful M-1 a cool white or a warm white?  I assume it's an LED.  It looks to be a cool white from the pic.

@PRR8976 and @GG1 4877- Thank you both for your comments and information.  Don

@texgeekboy posted:

@Apples55,

Would you call the light on your beautiful M-1 a cool white or a warm white?  I assume it's an LED.  It looks to be a cool white from the pic.

Tex;

Not sure what to call it, but I would definitely say it isn’t warm. It is quite bright and I believe it is an LED.

Thanks, @Apples55.  I was doing an upgrade to an old PRR 681 turbine, and decided to replace the incandescent bulb with an LED.  When I saw your picture I knew I had to go for the brighter cool white LED.  Using the prewired LEDs from Evans is so easy, that upgrade literally took less than 5 minutes.  I already packed it away and didn't think about taking a picture.

PW Lionel along with Williams GG1

@CAPPilot posted:

What could have been if the Pennsy was around in 1976.

MTH GG1 and K-Line caboose.

Thought I'd do one last post of them as I hope someone buys them off FS board.

That's a nice fantasy scheme.

John

Pennsy Boxcar at the freight station