anyone have a video of the new brass lackawanna pocono from weaver yet.
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no one has a video, only 150 were made. and over 100 have left the building of weaver models.
Has anyone ran ther Weaver Pocono engine yet??
How do they look?
How do they look?
quote:Originally posted by DL&W Pete:
no one has a video, only 150 were made. and over 100 have left the building of weaver models.
Well, didn't YOU purchase one? Even without a video,,,,,how does it run?
hot water,
when I get a job, I will be able too.
no fun being laid off since 10/31/2008
I am working PART TIME flipping burgers at wendys, not enough to pay ALL of the bills. I am 14 days away of losing my house if I can't find a good paying job.
A roof over my three children is a little more important than buying a train right now.
when I get a job, I will be able too.
no fun being laid off since 10/31/2008
I am working PART TIME flipping burgers at wendys, not enough to pay ALL of the bills. I am 14 days away of losing my house if I can't find a good paying job.
A roof over my three children is a little more important than buying a train right now.
Welll The first test wasn't pretty. The first of my Pocono's took jackrabbit starts Something wrong with EOB I presume. I ran the Pocono for about 7 minutes. The side rods fell off on one side and bent the ladder. ( Symptom of the spinning wheelsa in the video ) There were alos some broken pipes on the boiler. Back to Weaver Pocono number one must go
Maybe that DL&W Pocono didn't like that UP caboose on the rear end.
quote:Originally posted by Hot Water:
Maybe that DL&W Pocono didn't like that UP caboose on the rear end.
LOL I just hooked up anything that was sitting on the siding I usually have an allergy to PU stuff
That is a real shame, and unfortunately very similar to another person's Pocono. A guy I work with bought 2. When he opened box no.1, it was broken. Hand rails, smokebox cover and marker lights not attached or just hanging off. Box no.2 was in good condition, but was too light to pull more than a few O27 cars. He said three Madison cars had its wheels spinning. Very disappointed by them both.
My own Pocono is beautiful and well detailed. I don't have a permanent track to run it on, so she hasn't had any run time.
My own Pocono is beautiful and well detailed. I don't have a permanent track to run it on, so she hasn't had any run time.
quote:Originally posted by Tim O'Malley:
That is a real shame, and unfortunately very similar to another person's Pocono. A guy I work with bought 2. When he opened box no.1, it was broken. Hand rails, smokebox cover and marker lights not attached or just hanging off. Box no.2 was in good condition, but was too light to pull more than a few O27 cars. He said three Madison cars had its wheels spinning. Very disappointed by them both.
My own Pocono is beautiful and well detailed. I don't have a permanent track to run it on, so she hasn't had any run time.
That one was pulling 20 scale cars with no problem before it threw the gear off. I have two more to try
What a relief. When I first read the topic I was worried that you may have my honeymoon videos.
Wow, so sorry Ben...keep us posted on the others.
John
John
Any updates?
I am o for 3 on the Pocono's All of them are going back for repairs Two of them went about20 feet before the sideros fell off and jammed the running gear. One of them had broken parts on the front of the boiler and two of them have an EOB problem Start out real fast and not much throttle response
bluelinec4 -
Sounds like you have had a couple of pocono-no-no's
Sounds like you have had a couple of pocono-no-no's
quote:Originally posted by bluelinec4:
I am o for 3 on the Pocono's All of them are going back for repairs Two of them went about20 feet before the sideros fell off and jammed the running gear. One of them had broken parts on the front of the boiler and two of them have an EOB problem Start out real fast and not much throttle response
Wow,this makes Lionels,(and Mth for that matter) QC seem impecabble, and they only had to get 150 units right, broken parts, sidrods falling off.... pathetic.
Ug. This makes me nervous. I just ordered my first 3rd Rail engine. How has their QC been historically and recently?
ricko,
before you trash weaver models for this, get all of your facts.
yes, it was only 150 models. BRASS, NOT DIECAST steam engines.
weaver models did not make these, the brass builder did in korea did.
now think about how far these 150 brass steam engines had to travel to get to northumberland pa.
1. how fast do you see these container trucks flying down the highway,
2. have you ever seen a container ship get unloaded, as a truck driver I have seen some of these ships get unloaded in port newark, have also seen some containers fall off of the trailer they were to be set on. if the pins did not line up to hold the trailer in place off it goes.
3. have you ever made a brass steam engine before, maybe the worker in korea did sub standard work for the day. you see where I am going with this.
4. and after they came off of the container they were shipped out on UPS, more hands to throw the very boxes this BRASS steam engine came in.
5. do you think weaver models asked for this to happen, REMEMBER they had to PAY UPFRONT to have these 150 brass engines made. it's costing them more money to fix the problems that they didn't cause.
before you trash weaver models for this, get all of your facts.
yes, it was only 150 models. BRASS, NOT DIECAST steam engines.
weaver models did not make these, the brass builder did in korea did.
now think about how far these 150 brass steam engines had to travel to get to northumberland pa.
1. how fast do you see these container trucks flying down the highway,
2. have you ever seen a container ship get unloaded, as a truck driver I have seen some of these ships get unloaded in port newark, have also seen some containers fall off of the trailer they were to be set on. if the pins did not line up to hold the trailer in place off it goes.
3. have you ever made a brass steam engine before, maybe the worker in korea did sub standard work for the day. you see where I am going with this.
4. and after they came off of the container they were shipped out on UPS, more hands to throw the very boxes this BRASS steam engine came in.
5. do you think weaver models asked for this to happen, REMEMBER they had to PAY UPFRONT to have these 150 brass engines made. it's costing them more money to fix the problems that they didn't cause.
quote:Originally posted by DL&W Pete:
ricko,
before you trash weaver models for this, get all of your facts.
yes, it was only 150 models. BRASS, NOT DIECAST steam engines.
weaver models did not make these, the brass builder did in korea did.
now think about how far these 150 brass steam engines had to travel to get to northumberland pa.
1. how fast do you see these container trucks flying down the highway,
2. have you ever seen a container ship get unloaded, as a truck driver I have seen some of these ships get unloaded in port newark, have also seen some containers fall off of the trailer they were to be set on. if the pins did not line up to hold the trailer in place off it goes.
3. have you ever made a brass steam engine before, maybe the worker in korea did sub standard work for the day. you see where I am going with this.
4. and after they came off of the container they were shipped out on UPS, more hands to throw the very boxes this BRASS steam engine came in.
5. do you think weaver models asked for this to happen, REMEMBER they had to PAY UPFRONT to have these 150 brass engines made. it's costing them more money to fix the problems that they didn't cause.
I just wanted to confirm the double-standard concernig QC that exists among O guage products.I would think this list of excuses could apply to ANY manufacturers defects.
quote:I am 14 days away of losing my house if I can't find a good paying job.
A roof over my three children is a little more important than buying a train right now.
IF you are in Breiningsville, Pa. You are not too far from where I work at the LV P&DC in Bethlehem Township, Pa. Also Amazon is hiring as well. Both of them are paying over $10.00/hr... way over what Wendys is paying.
quote:Originally posted by pennsy484:
Ug. This makes me nervous. I just ordered my first 3rd Rail engine. How has their QC been historically and recently?
Stop worrying, that's a different importer and builder. Most of my fleet is 3rd Rail products and I keep buying form them.
quote:Originally posted by DL&W Pete:
ricko,
before you trash weaver models for this, get all of your facts.
yes, it was only 150 models. BRASS, NOT DIECAST steam engines.
weaver models did not make these, the brass builder did in korea did.
now think about how far these 150 brass steam engines had to travel to get to northumberland pa.
1. how fast do you see these container trucks flying down the highway,
2. have you ever seen a container ship get unloaded, as a truck driver I have seen some of these ships get unloaded in port newark, have also seen some containers fall off of the trailer they were to be set on. if the pins did not line up to hold the trailer in place off it goes.
3. have you ever made a brass steam engine before, maybe the worker in korea did sub standard work for the day. you see where I am going with this.
4. and after they came off of the container they were shipped out on UPS, more hands to throw the very boxes this BRASS steam engine came in.
5. do you think weaver models asked for this to happen, REMEMBER they had to PAY UPFRONT to have these 150 brass engines made. it's costing them more money to fix the problems that they didn't cause.
Since you are always going to bat for Weaver products, and I must admit that I'm a big Weaver fan also, there are a few additional points to consider on these DL&W Pocono models:
1) How a container is transported/handled has nothing to do with it, if the models are all packaged properly. Check out Sunset/3rd Rail, MTH, & Lionel packaging for example.
2) Did anyone from Weaver actually go to the manufacturing plant in Korea to inspect & test run EVERY SINGLE MODEL? I know for a fact that Sunset/3rd Rail owner Scott Mann does just that, for EVERY SINGLE ONE of his models. No mater locomotives or passenger cars, EVERY SINGLE model is personally inspected by Scott himself prior to packaging/shipping.
3) Just because the Pocono is a "hand made brass model", doesen't mean it should fall apart just due to rough handling.Sounds like the model manufacturer didn't properly tighten & thread lock the screws.
I'd have to agree .If your MTH or Lionel and dumpin 10,000 engines on the market,it'd be hard to hand check every engine but 150? I would chalk that up to just plain sorriness.Not one of those Loco's should have arrived in nothing less than perfect condition . Weaver should have taken the time to check and test them.
David
David
While you guys are going back and fourth ,
I thought weaver was going to the ERR board.(3rd rail only?) I am glad to hear they are still using the EOB,( 0 for 3 ouch!) was confused when i seen the 2 chuffs per rev. in the video. Sorry your havin problems, nice looking engine.
I thought weaver was going to the ERR board.(3rd rail only?) I am glad to hear they are still using the EOB,( 0 for 3 ouch!) was confused when i seen the 2 chuffs per rev. in the video. Sorry your havin problems, nice looking engine.
hot water,
as a truck driver, how the container was handled has everything to do with it. I have seen the BEST packaged products break at unloading. the bouncing of a 48-53' trailer is a lot harder on whats inside the trailer than what the general public thinks. if you drive over a bumpy uneven road in your own car or pickup and say thats a rough road, I can tell you that freight in a trailer is bouncing 25 times harder than you will.
as for going over to korea to the builder, I do not know if joe went over to inspect every engine.
I would think weaver would inspect all 150 engines before they left their building.
But speaking as a truck driver, how its loaded, unloaded, and how the truck driver drives has EVERYTHING to due with damage before it arrives at your door step.
as a truck driver, how the container was handled has everything to do with it. I have seen the BEST packaged products break at unloading. the bouncing of a 48-53' trailer is a lot harder on whats inside the trailer than what the general public thinks. if you drive over a bumpy uneven road in your own car or pickup and say thats a rough road, I can tell you that freight in a trailer is bouncing 25 times harder than you will.
as for going over to korea to the builder, I do not know if joe went over to inspect every engine.
I would think weaver would inspect all 150 engines before they left their building.
But speaking as a truck driver, how its loaded, unloaded, and how the truck driver drives has EVERYTHING to due with damage before it arrives at your door step.
As I can accept the fact that loose parts can be attributed to handling it doesn't explain the EOB problems or the side rod linkage.
I have 2 Poconos. One is 3-rail, the other 2-rail. The 3-rail arrived first and ran fine, however the next day when I ran it - no smoke. Checked everything, did resets, added fluid, still no smoke. Can not hear a fan running or see even a whisp of smoke. The 2-rail arrived next and in the same condition as the first with the smokebox front detached. Easy fix to insert the marker light bulbs back in place and reattach the smoke box front. When I put the locomotive on the track after programmed the engine ID, lights and sounds came on. However no headlight. AUX2 had no effect on the headlight. When I turned the orange knob it took of full speed. Same in reverse. Did re-sets, made sure it was back in RUN. I called Weaver and talked to a tech person who said it could be the reader may have been knocked too far away from the striped flywheel in shipping. Anyway it was sent back to Weaver. I think I will live with no smoke in the first one beacause I really don't want to expose it to more shipping. I was hoping on getting the other back maybe this week, but now wondering as I read of other Poconos also being sent back.
quote:was confused when i seen the 2 chuffs per rev. in the video.
You mean, Weaver is still using "2-chuffs per rev."? I thought with EOB you can program either 4-chuffs or 2-chuffs? The Sunset/3rd Rail steam models come with a small slide switch for "2-chuffs" or "4-chuffs", and the number one drive axle has two sets of cams for proper exhaust timing.
quote:Originally posted by Hot Water:quote:was confused when i seen the 2 chuffs per rev. in the video.
You mean, Weaver is still using "2-chuffs per rev."? I thought with EOB you can program either 4-chuffs or 2-chuffs? The Sunset/3rd Rail steam models come with a small slide switch for "2-chuffs" or "4-chuffs", and the number one drive axle has two sets of cams for proper exhaust timing.
Your right ,The EOB can be selected for 1,2 or 4 chuffs on the fly . When i seen the video it sure looked like 2 chuffs per rev. which confused me.
I have one of the Pocono's and I am in the process of filming a review for it. It should be out within the next week or so. In the meantime, here's a sneak peak I video that I tweeted:
http://yfrog.com/nhye7bz http://yfrog.com/nhye7bz
Thanks,
Eric Siegel
http://yfrog.com/nhye7bz http://yfrog.com/nhye7bz
Thanks,
Eric Siegel
ben,
the eob problem very well could be the eye not reading the tape on the motor, I had this problem with my pacific untill gary replaced the tape and reset the gauge space for the eye reader for the eob.
as for the side rods, could be a shipping issue.
the eob problem very well could be the eye not reading the tape on the motor, I had this problem with my pacific untill gary replaced the tape and reset the gauge space for the eye reader for the eob.
as for the side rods, could be a shipping issue.
pennsy484 - I've got a few 3rd Rail locos, and quality has been spotty. I swore off of them for a while, but
I'm weak, and when it's something I want enough, sometimes... (I've got the NYC T-3 electric on order; fingers crossed).
I've had them arrive just fine (GN Z-6 Challenger), but I've also had them losing parts right out of the box (ATSF 2-10-4).
None as faulty as some of those Poconos, though.
Beautiful Pocono; hope they get it straightened out. I want a D&LW Hudson.
Weavers brass ATSF Pacifics of a few years back were great; ready, willing and able. My Little Joe electric? Took 3 tries to get
one not broken.
Without a doubt, Lionel, MTH and K-line produce(d) the best quality consumer items, on average. No contest.
The "brass builders" cannot come close. But without them, I couldn't order my NYC T-3, could I?
Oh, regardless of where the loco was built (and try getting a brass loco into production in Noo Joisey, or here in Alabama, or Idaho, or anywhere in the US of A), if it says "Weaver" on the box, it's a Weaver loco, and they should get the blame - and glory, when deserved - after all, they do get your hard-earned bucks.
I'm weak, and when it's something I want enough, sometimes... (I've got the NYC T-3 electric on order; fingers crossed).
I've had them arrive just fine (GN Z-6 Challenger), but I've also had them losing parts right out of the box (ATSF 2-10-4).
None as faulty as some of those Poconos, though.
Beautiful Pocono; hope they get it straightened out. I want a D&LW Hudson.
Weavers brass ATSF Pacifics of a few years back were great; ready, willing and able. My Little Joe electric? Took 3 tries to get
one not broken.
Without a doubt, Lionel, MTH and K-line produce(d) the best quality consumer items, on average. No contest.
The "brass builders" cannot come close. But without them, I couldn't order my NYC T-3, could I?
Oh, regardless of where the loco was built (and try getting a brass loco into production in Noo Joisey, or here in Alabama, or Idaho, or anywhere in the US of A), if it says "Weaver" on the box, it's a Weaver loco, and they should get the blame - and glory, when deserved - after all, they do get your hard-earned bucks.
I find that in general Weaver engine are pretty good. Sure, sometimes they will have the occasional electronics problem or a part may have come off in shipping, but stuff like that happens with Lionel and MTH as well. There are always things that can go wrong with a complex model, so in my mind what really makes the difference is how the company handles the problem. Weaver has ALWAYS been outstanding when it comes to fixing anything that's not right with one of their engines and that's why I'm a repeat customer of Weaver. They've always taken care of me.
Weaver is a small company, which is both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, they don't have the resources to have a huge QA department that inspects every single product before it ships. On the other hand, their small size means that you get really good and very personal customer service. So in the end it sort of balances out.
-Eric
Weaver is a small company, which is both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, they don't have the resources to have a huge QA department that inspects every single product before it ships. On the other hand, their small size means that you get really good and very personal customer service. So in the end it sort of balances out.
-Eric
Every product in the entire world spends time on a truck...IF YOU BOUGHT IT...A TRUCK BROUGHT IT!!!
quote:Originally posted by prrhorseshoecurve:quote:I am 14 days away of losing my house if I can't find a good paying job.
A roof over my three children is a little more important than buying a train right now.
IF you are in Breiningsville, Pa. You are not too far from where I work at the LV P&DC in Bethlehem Township, Pa. Also Amazon is hiring as well. Both of them are paying over $10.00/hr... way over what Wendys is paying.
I thought you just posted that you got a driving job...DID YOU KNOW there is a big JB HUNT account IN Breinigsville...Home Depot???
yes I did just get a job, and it's way better than jb hunt will ever pay.
Any updates on poconos performance?
quote:Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Any updates on poconos performance?
I second this request. Has there been any changes or positive news to add about this release?
I'm interested in this release, but need to hear some positive outcomes before committing.
I got mine back from Weaver. They run smooth as silk and the side rod problem has been fixed
Great news! Can't wait to see an updated video from the club!
Thanks,
Mario
Thanks,
Mario
