Haas anyone heard anything about these steamers? I emailed Lionel but have not heard anything, they were due in September. Just curious..
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RickO posted:
Well, Trainworld has been off with shipping dates before. At one point, for example, MTH's latest Railking Imperial Berkshires were listed on their website to show up at the end of September, but MTH's website said they'd show up in July, and that's when they showed up. I'm just checking back to their site every now and then to see if they show up yet.
TrainMan1225 posted:Well, Trainworld has been off with shipping dates before. .
True, but their original ship date for the h10 was Sept, in line with Lionels shipping schedule.
The fact that they pushed it back 4 months does no bode well for folks expecting these to show up any time soon.
I have one of these on order too. I really don't care when it ships, as long as I don't have to send it back.
I did not see that Trainworld post. Oh well!! I have plenty of trains so I will live. If it takes longer to get it right so be it.. Maybe some news about them will come from York.
Does that mean that the Coal Hauler set with the H10's will be late as well?
Hopefully if it is being pushed back, it is so thus loco can be done right from the beginning. After all a lot of tech and features for a relatively low price point (by today standards.)
If anything my wallet will be safe for a little longer!
Charlie Ro still says 10/10/18.
RickO posted:I have one of these on order too. I really don't care when it ships, as long as I don't have to send it back.
Same here exactly.
Maybe one of the Lionel guys will see this thread and give us a ballpark, I'm really looking forward to this loco
I figure one of my 100+ locomotives will have to fill in until the H10 shows up. 
The 4-6-2's are also set back from Oct delivery to the same January 2019 date on TrainWorld website too so it hard to say what the actual delivery will be. Usually, Charles Ro will update the delivery date on their site if goes past their posted delivery date.
I am not worried! I just got last month the MTH ps2 H10 and she's a beauty! I just got hit with the 3 packs of Lionel gla hoppers so I can wait the 4 months!
I am worried about the new scale P.E. cars as well as the Tank Train cars arriving shortly!
If you can, please be sure and post some side by side comparison photos of the MTH H10s and the Lionel "H10" when you receive the latter.
I guess that also means that the Sept shipping of the Niagara is delayed as well.
Although if Trainworld is to be believed it is coming at the end of October.
So will this make it a H10 2019?
I heard mid Nov. 2018.
Bob posted:If you can, please be sure and post some side by side comparison photos of the MTH H10s and the Lionel "H10" when you receive the latter.
I could do the Lionel Tmcc H8/9 to the H10 now. I believe the new H10 is using the similar platform to the H8/9
Why does Lionel call it a Shipping Schedule?
It should be called a "Wishing For A Shipping Schedule". ( or just "WFASS").
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Bob posted:If you can, please be sure and post some side by side comparison photos of the MTH H10s and the Lionel "H10" when you receive the latter.
I could do the Lionel Tmcc H8/9 to the H10 now. I believe the new H10 is using the similar platform to the H8/9
That is correct. The current Lionel "H10" is using the same mold/design as the earlier TMCC H9, at least according to the catalog photo. The Lionel design is correct for the H9, not the H10. Plus, three of the Legacy "H10" engines shown in Lionel's catalog picture have H9 cab numbers. Not sure why Lionel just didn't call them H9s.
That said, the only difference between the real H9 engine and real H10 engine were two minor changes in the cylinder area. First, the H10's cylinder's were 1" larger in diameter, something I don't thing I would be able to notice.
The other issue is more noticeable, but still relatively minor. The H9 had snifters (round looking valve) where the steam pipe meets the cylinders and the H10 didn't. This is what distinguishes the two.
I would like to see a comparison between the MTH H10 and Lionel TMCC H9 before I commit for Lionel's "H10" (on my RR, it will be an H9), keeping in mind these minor differences. If somebody has both models please show us some pictures.
I would suspect that Lionel thought people would be more prone to buy a new H10 instead of a redo of the H9. Just my thoughts.
Quit yer complaining. At least Lionel gives you a choice of lines east or lines west tenders. Us two rail slugs never get those niceties.
Reading RR posted:I would suspect that Lionel thought people would be more prone to buy a new H10 instead of a redo of the H9. Just my thoughts.
In reality , whether you call it an H9 or H10 it doesn't matter. The Lionel model is actually a modified consolidation with a Pennsy style smokebox front and firebox.
The boiler and chassis on the Lionel is too long.
The firebox is too long as well as the smokebox. The span between the front driver set and the steamchest is too large. The MTH model wins hands down in the scale fidelity dept as it is specifically H-10 tooling.
Lionel isn't creating new tooling for the "so called" H10. What you see here is what you will get.
Folks that go for the "high sided" tender will get the tender from the Vision Line CC2.
Lionel H9/10
MTH H10
Weaver had also done an H 10. A very nice model, this one has an EOB upgrade.
I believe Weaver did this brass model in two different numbers. Tender was western PRR, Ohio and further west.
may be delayed because of profitability. Whistle steam, Ringing bell, all for $799 retail ! Let's ship the higher profit items in the fourth quarter. A business strategy.
CAPPilot posted:prrhorseshoecurve posted:Bob posted:If you can, please be sure and post some side by side comparison photos of the MTH H10s and the Lionel "H10" when you receive the latter.
I could do the Lionel Tmcc H8/9 to the H10 now. I believe the new H10 is using the similar platform to the H8/9
That is correct. The current Lionel "H10" is using the same mold/design as the earlier TMCC H9, at least according to the catalog photo. The Lionel design is correct for the H9, not the H10. Plus, three of the Legacy "H10" engines shown in Lionel's catalog picture have H9 cab numbers. Not sure why Lionel just didn't call them H9s.
That said, the only difference between the real H9 engine and real H10 engine were two minor changes in the cylinder area. First, the H10's cylinder's were 1" larger in diameter, something I don't thing I would be able to notice.
The other issue is more noticeable, but still relatively minor. The H9 had snifters (round looking valve) where the steam pipe meets the cylinders and the H10 didn't. This is what distinguishes the two.
I would like to see a comparison between the MTH H10 and Lionel TMCC H9 before I commit for Lionel's "H10" (on my RR, it will be an H9), keeping in mind these minor differences. If somebody has both models please show us some pictures.
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I hope this helps!
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prrhorseshoecurve,
Thank you
You can see the areas RICKO pointed out earlier. I guess it boils down to what you are willing to accept, but it would be nice to get a H9 with low side tender to go with my Weaver H10 with high side tender. I do like the footboard pilot on MTH's engine; wish Lionel's had them. I'm still looking for an appropriate after market footboard pilot should I buy the Lionel model.
By the way, you did make more work for me. Both the tender types are not on the tender list I'm building, so I need to do some more research. I have a 80-P-81a listed, but not a 80-F-81a that is shown on the H10. Probably the same tender, but still need to find it.
The H9's 70-F-75 is also not on my list. There is a 70-F-70 on H6 and H9 engines, and 70-P-XX used on passenger engines, but no 70-F-75. Back to the books.
As of 10/12/18 Charlie Ro still says 10/10/18 , but the Lionel store says 11/15/18.
We shall see. Waiting on my H10!
Trainworld posted a video with Ryan Kunkle from York. Ryan says the H10's are "on the water" and folks should start seeing these the middle of next month/ November.
I do NOT care for that bright silver paint on the smokebox. I guess its no suprise given its on every other new steamer so far.
Thank you Trainworld! The majority of this hobbys fans
couldn't make it, and appreciate the York info.
H10 featured at about 7:47 mark. ( you do not need a facebook, simply click" not now on the login box, and then click on the video )
https://www.facebook.com/Train...eos/471456796696256/
Nice to know and nice to see a little action from the new H10 !
Thanks for the info Rick !
I also spoke with RYAN at the Lionel booth at YORK and had asked about the H10 along with the Reading & Northern Pacifics and he said booth are on the water and should be in your hands next month. Fingers crossed.
Ok, thanks for the info. I liked the engine in the video. Can't wait to get it!
TrainMan1225 posted:RickO posted:I do NOT care for that bright silver paint on the smokebox. I guess its no suprise given its on every other new steamer so far.
yea that definitely surprised me. it makes the smokebox on the newest Berkshires look dark.
It doesn't bother me though, because it's still a quality locomotive (I think
Wow pretty wild. No way that can be prototypical. While this engine seems to be a great value, it’s a little disappointing. Won’t match the rest of my PRR fleet as well as I hoped.
That said if it works properly out of box, it’ll be easier to forgive 😉
The smokebox is silver because Lionel is trying to save money. A darker color for the smokebox would increase the production cost. So they used a lighter color to keep the price in line. Hopefully they'll correct that, since looking at that smokebox makes me a little eye sore.
We may have to figure a way to darken the smokebox without painting the whole locomotive. 
Peter Araujo posted:The smokebox is silver because Lionel is trying to save money. A darker color for the smokebox would increase the production cost. So they used a lighter color to keep the price in line. Hopefully they'll correct that, since looking at that smokebox makes me a little eye sore.
Your kidding right?.....maybe your on to something. Maybe thats silver leftover from the ESE hudsons.
Personally, I would trade the swinging bell for the correct graphite colored smokebox......like on ever other pennsy steamer Lionel has offered in the past.
I don't get it. Lionel gets so close, but there always has to be some "slip up" on nearly every loco.
I guess the only solution for that is to custom paint it a darker color.
Seems like a good candidate for that "charcoal" stove paint I mentioned in another thread...
Mark in Oregon
How about Neolube from Micro-Mark? I use it to darken the wheels on Menards cars.
