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Does anyone have some data or experience that shows a comparison of pulling power of the different locomotives?   I am curious as to the difference in pulling power between:

 - postwar magnatraction versus rubber tire versions of the relatively same engine

- legacy/visionline/TMCC engines versus postwar, same style

- Lionel versus MTH versus Atlas/Weaver/3rd Rail versus ? etc.

- Tubular track versus newer types of track / Fasttrack / etc.

I know that's a huge inquiry but I would enjoy seeing the opinions or data of others on the subject.   I realize that the type of track, the type of cars and the curves in the track and several other items would be a factor, but some apples to apples comparison would sure be interesting to see.

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Note that this is all only in my experience and may vary from what other users experience.  

All of my locomotives with traction tires will out pull any without under "normal" conditions.  for comparison I'm going to rate things in the toughest to pull cars that I own, K-Like Heavyweight 18" passenger cars.  I only have six of these cars, so any number of cars over that is with somewhat easier to pull Williams cars of a similar size.  this is on lionel tubular track going around O72 curves, powered by a postwar ZW set with a quality meter to 18VAC.  It is worth noting that using these cars is a little unfair, because each one consumes available power with it's two light bulbs.  Any mention below of a number of cars is based on these heavy beasts being pulled, but for an approximate number of 'normal' cars, pulling one of these K-line heavyweighs equals something like 4-5 normal cars.  

Lionel low end 1970's "sound of steam" 2-4-2 (I think the number on the cab is 8144) (one traction tire):  2 cars, maybe 3 on a good day. An identical locomotive without the traction tire will spin it's wheels trying to pull one of these cars.  

Lionel 2055 post war 4-6-4 (Magnatraction):  Pulls 4 cars just barely. will pull better if the e-unit is locked, making a big difference on easier to pull cars. 

Lionel (I think 8415) early 2000's command ready, upgraded to TMCC, fairly low end hudson 4-6-4 (traction tires on both rear drivers):  Pulls 6 cars.  

Lionel 2-8-4 lionel lines (737, again if memory serves.)Similar vintage as above TMCC hudson, and pulls about the same.  The hudson will run faster, and the Berk has just a little more pulling power.  Pulls 6 cars.  I'll also add the Lioncheif Polar express 2-8-4 here as well, though I think it should be rated slightly better than the TMCC version as it pulls better at lower speeds.  

K-Line 2-6-6-6 Allegheny - TMCC (traction tires on rear drivers on both sets of drivers.):  This beast will pull tree stumps for me on straight track.  I've pulled all six K-line cars and another 5 williams cars, after which the lights in the cars take their toll on the old ZW.  Worth noting that this engine is rated for O31 curves, but it will consistently jump off the track under even a medium load on that tight of a curve.  

Lastly, Lionel 'navy' NW2 switcher with the motor in the truck.( traction tires on 2 wheels on same side of powered truck.):  This little guy pulls pretty well in a straight line, maybe 3 cars, but will jump the track under any load around a curve.  I tried weighing it down and that provided no help.  Finally I added a second powered truck and she finally makes it around curves under load, pulling 4 cars.

 

All that said, the tires are very finicky at times.  they will slip, and peal off the drivers if they become oily.  In addition, rough track work chews them up quickly.  The post war locos don't much care about this, but it is worth noting that some of the track choices out there are not magnetic, so magna-traction becomes useless in these cases

Sorry for the ramble, hope there is something in there you find of use.  

JGL

CTT did an article comparing Postwar locos with their modern counterparts back in 1997 or so. 

They pitted a 736 v a Railing Berk, a PW Trainmaster against a MTH SD60, and a few others that I don't recall.

The consensus was that modern motors and rubber traction tires won the day.

As for a Lionel/MTH/Atlas/3rd Rail comparison, I think that all things being equal (intact rubber tires and quality can motors), the pulling power will be similar across the board. I would be willing the bet the new MTH Big Boy will pull as much as my Vision Line model.

There are some out there that will say 3rd Rail brass engines won't pull as much as their die-cast counterparts, but I don't have much experience with it.

I think the biggest difference in track type would be for locos equipped with Magnatraction. Lionel tubular track would probably be the best mate for those engines. Furthering that thought, I have read that Postwar Lionel tubular track had a higher iron content than its modern counterpart. Not sure if it's true, but it is an interesting thought.

Hmm...  I've pulled 115 freight cars with two Legacy U-boats, so any modern diesel with traction tires should be able to do 30-40 freight cars or a dozen passenger cars without any big issue.  The Legacy Y6b was observed pulling 70 coal cars at Harry Henning's place, including the 2% long grade, and it didn't seem to be breaking a sweat.

This is all on Atlas track, so folks with magnatraction need not apply.

 

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