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While looking at ebay I stumbled across an MTH repro of an Ives Olympian set who's passenger cars looked identical to my American Flyer President Special passenger cars but in different colors. To further confuse me I have an MTH repro Ives Olympian set whose passenger cars are completely different but these are Ives passenger cars and not American Flyer cars. So are either of these a figment of MTH's imagination, or were the Olympian sets made both ways?


Thanks for any help.
John.
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Originally posted by John Clifford:
While looking at ebay I stumbled across an MTH repro of an Ives Olympian set who's passenger cars looked identical to my American Flyer President Special passenger cars but in different colors. To further confuse me I have an MTH repro Ives Olympian set whose passenger cars are completely different but these are Ives passenger cars and not American Flyer cars. So are either of these a figment of MTH's imagination, or were the Olympian sets made both ways?


Thanks for any help.
John.


John, In 1928 Ives was bought out (bankruptcy sale) jointly by Lionel and Flyer. In 1928 and 1929, you find Ives sets with Flyer passenger car bodies on Ives trucks, couplers and with Ives paint. In 1930, the product line changed over to Lionel bodies for some passenger cars and freight cars and the Flyer bodies went away.
The olympian specifically came in 29 with Flyer bodied cars and 30 with Lionel bodied cars. Both had Ives trucks, couplers, and paint.

1929 Flyer bodied set
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5005107

1930 Lionel bodied set
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5593432
Flyer cars look good no matter what. You could put them on cinder blocks and someone would admire them. I havn't met anyone who didn't like the long flyer bodies.

But the Lionel cars on Ives trucks. That's the shizzle. For rizzle dizzle!
It must have really pissed JLC off to see how good his cars looked with Ives trucks and couplers.
Rob
I do not have any photos of that set and it is not on the layout. However, I do plan on bringing it to the SGMA display in Pittsburgh. There should be photos and video posted after the show.

St Louis to Pittsburgh is not that far. It is a great opportunity to see and run trains that most people only see and read about in books.
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Originally posted by F&G RY:


St Louis to Pittsburgh is not that far. It is a great opportunity to see and run trains that most people only see and read about in books.


Jim thats funny, I make the trip to PIT with some frequency. The company I work for is HQ'd in Monroeville. It is far enough Big Grin

I cant seem to get to any SGMA shows save York if they are there. When Bob gets the midwest chapter rolling I will be a part of it.
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Originally posted by The Nighthawk:
And an AF Flying Colonel coach!
[IMG]http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/ivesboy/flying_colonel_(3)_001.JPG[/IMG]


I need to remember to use my new screen name!

Can anyone tell me why there is an Indian in the first pic?

ERIC YOU CANT PLAY!!!


Hawk, the Flying colonel link is incorrectly posted....

Is it a nod to the early litho cars? Mohawk, Iroquois, and Hiawatha?

Either that or he is selling cigars to those riding on the 1929 Chief.
Originally Posted by John Clifford:
While looking at ebay I stumbled across an MTH repro of an Ives Olympian set who's passenger cars looked identical to my American Flyer President Special passenger cars but in different colors. To further confuse me I have an MTH repro Ives Olympian set whose passenger cars are completely different but these are Ives passenger cars and not American Flyer cars. So are either of these a figment of MTH's imagination, or were the Olympian sets made both ways?


Thanks for any help.
John.

John,

 

As you can see from the link to the liveauctioneers, Sirus Varney made a reproduction of the Ives Olympian sets, which were based on the American Flyer passenger car bodies but used Ives trucks and couplers.  Using these same dies, RichArt later produced their own reproduction Ives Olympian set.  In addition, with some new tooling, RichArt created three new passenger car bodies based on the AF passenger car bodies including: a baggage car (4 baggage doors but no small windows), an REA car (4 baggage doors with small windows on one end of the car), and a RPO car (4 baggage doors with small windows on both ends of the car).  

 

In addition to the three unique body styles, RichArt also applied some unique paint schemes and unique brass plates to some of their Ives passenger sets.  I have a complete eleven car set of these unique RichArt cars, which are painted in Milwaukee's classic tri-color orange/black/maroon paint scheme.  Each of these cars has a RichArt unique "THE MILWAUKEE ROAD" or "RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY" brass plate installed above the small windows rather than the standard Ives Railway Lines plate.  In addition, RichArt installed unique car name (all different) and car number (all different) plates below the windows in place of the standard Ives plates.   I normally run these cars behind one or both of my RichArt BiPolar Cascade engines, one of which is painted in Milwaukee's tri-color paint scheme while the other is painted in the original Brooks-Stevens-designed Olympian Hiawatha paint scheme. 

 

I also have a unique seven car set of these RichArt passenger cars, which are idential to their reproduction Ives orange/black Olympian cars but have "THE MILWAUKEE ROAD" brass plate above the windows instead of the standare Ives plates.  Dick Mayer made these for me to go with the unique CHIPPEWA 1134 Ives locomotive, which he custom painted (and signed) for me based on photos of The Milwaukee Road's Chippewa locomotive that I sent to him. 

 

In November I will be bringing both of the above sets to Milwaukee where I will be running them on the SGMA layout at Trainfest!  See you there!  
 

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Originally Posted by navy.seal:
 

In addition to the three unique body styles, RichArt also applied some unique paint schemes and unique brass plates to some of their Ives passenger sets.  I have a complete eleven car set of these unique RichArt cars, which are painted in Milwaukee's classic tri-color orange/black/maroon paint scheme.  Each of these cars has a RichArt unique "THE MILWAUKEE ROAD" or "RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY" brass plate installed above the small windows rather than the standard Ives Railway Lines plate.  In addition, RichArt installed unique car name (all different) and car number (all different) plates below the windows in place of the standard Ives plates.   I normally run these cars behind one or both of my RichArt BiPolar Cascade engines, one of which is painted in Milwaukee's tri-color paint scheme while the other is painted in the original Brooks-Stevens-designed Olympian Hiawatha paint scheme. 

 

 

I can't remember seeing all three of the Rich-Art cars.  But I'd love to have a 7-car Black Diamond.  What's going on with the Rich-Art dies?  Barry/MEW talked about doing a no-compromise Circus Set with Joe Mania.  

 

Must do some research on Brooks Stevens.  Have long liked his late-Studebaker designs.

Originally Posted by Steve "Papa" Eastman:

Last I heard, the Sirus Varney/Rich-Art dies were in the hands of Butch Alverado who also has just recently passed.

 

Steve

Steve,

 

This is a shock.  I knew that Dick Mayer of RichArt had recently died but when did Butch Alvarado, Dick's RichArt Assistant, die as I have been communicating with Butch since Dick's death and I know he was pleased about being asked to help set up a Dick Mayer/RichArt tribute at an upcoming Cal-Stewart show?

 

Bob

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Bob
Butch died about the later part of June. We had all been out to the Sirus collection earlier in June and he was looking a little frail.
 
Steve
 
Originally Posted by navy.seal:
Originally Posted by Steve "Papa" Eastman:

Last I heard, the Sirus Varney/Rich-Art dies were in the hands of Butch Alverado who also has just recently passed.

 

Steve

Steve,

 

This is a shock.  I knew that Dick Mayer of RichArt had recently died but when did Butch Alvarado, Dick's RichArt Assistant, die as I have been communicating with Butch since Dick's death and I know he was pleased about being asked to help set up a Dick Mayer/RichArt tribute at an upcoming Cal-Stewart show?

 

Bob

Originally Posted by Steve "Papa" Eastman:
Bob
Butch died about the later part of June. We had all been out to the Sirus collection earlier in June and he was looking a little frail.
 
Steve
 


Thanks Steve.  Now I know why Butch has not replied to any of my recent emails to him.  If you're willing, I'd like to contact you off this forum about Butch.   You can contact me at: navy.seal@cox.net

 

Bob Nelson

TCA # 02-55373

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