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New Jersey Transit today looks a whole lot different than it did when it was created. When NJDOT ceased commuter operations, NJT was created and received hand me down equipment from the railroads that had previously handled commuter operations.

Questions:

1. Is there still a changing of locomotive at South Amboy, or dual power locomotives?

2. Why were the GG1's retired? It's not like the Amtrak E60's performed any better. Was it maintenance?

3. Did the GG1's operate in push pull style? I saw a video where the 4877 was pulling a string of stainless steel coaches, similar to the two PRR coaches that are used on some of the 765 excursions.

4. In the Lackawanna Electrics Mark I Video, trains travel through a trench through Newark. Was that trench abandoned after NJT converted their power plant from DC power to AC power?

Thanks to anyone who answers!

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Well. Since you asked. NJT lengthened the catenary system to Long Branch. That's where they do the change to diesel power all the way to Bay Head. When the Raritan River Railroad still terminated in South Amboy, they  had cars taken down to the "End of the wire" where they interchanged with NY&LB. Why were the GG1's retired? I can't answer this question but I assume it was because they had been working for many decades and NJT/NJDOT wanted a new change of power. 

I'm not sure exactly how they operated. I assume that when they arrived at South Amboy they changed tracks and took trains back from Bay Head while CNJ/PRR/PC/NJDOT diesels brought them to Penn Station. Or Communipaw if you were on a CNJ train. The same thing occured with Camelbacks and K4's in the 40's and early 50's. 

The fourth question isn't in my area of knowledge. 

 

 

 

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Questions:

1. Is there still a changing of locomotive at South Amboy, or dual power locomotives?

NO. Wires were extended to Long Branch and that is the new exchanging of the motive power.

2. Why were the GG1's retired? It's not like the Amtrak E60's performed any better. Was it maintenance?

Comming close to FRA mandated 50 year lifespan, cracking frames, PCB filled transformers, cramped  engineers quarters.

3. Did the GG1's operate in push pull style? I saw a video where the 4877 was pulling a string of stainless steel coaches, similar to the two PRR coaches that are used on some of the 765 excursions.

NO all GG1's operated conventional pull style

4. In the Lackawanna Electrics Mark I Video, trains travel through a trench through Newark. Was that trench abandoned after NJT converted their power plant from DC power to AC power?

NO that is the former Lackawanna main line through Newark via Broad Street Station to Dover, NJ.
That line is very much alive and well.

I280 parallels, that "trench" after the Passaic River crossing in Newark, NJ.

Thanks to anyone who answers!

BTW, Did the GG1's have a Toilet in their noses like Diesels do?

Never mind! Google is my friend!

http://prrthsdiscussionweb3023...ilities#.WNVt2fnyu70

Last edited by prrhorseshoecurve
645 posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

BTW, Did the GG1's have a Toilet in their noses like Diesels do?

Next time try Google to find the answer:  http://prrthsdiscussionweb3023...ilities#.WNVt2VUrJaQ

Both EMC/EMD "F" and "E" units did NOT have a "toilet in their noses". The toilet/hopper was back in the rear of the engine room, and remember to NEVER flush that thing when the engines were wound up in full load!

Hot Water posted:
645 posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

BTW, Did the GG1's have a Toilet in their noses like Diesels do?

Next time try Google to find the answer:  http://prrthsdiscussionweb3023...ilities#.WNVt2VUrJaQ

Both EMC/EMD "F" and "E" units did NOT have a "toilet in their noses". The toilet/hopper was back in the rear of the engine room, and remember to NEVER flush that thing when the engines were wound up in full load!

OK, what were the consequences if you flushed?

Standard Gauge posted:
Hot Water posted:
645 posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

BTW, Did the GG1's have a Toilet in their noses like Diesels do?

Next time try Google to find the answer:  http://prrthsdiscussionweb3023...ilities#.WNVt2VUrJaQ

Both EMC/EMD "F" and "E" units did NOT have a "toilet in their noses". The toilet/hopper was back in the rear of the engine room, and remember to NEVER flush that thing when the engines were wound up in full load!

OK, what were the consequences if you flushed?

What with the intake air for engine combustion being drawn through carbody filters into the engine room, the engine room was below atmospheric pressure with the engine at full load. Thus, stepping on the toilet hopper flush pedal opened the flapper in the bottom of the toilet hopper, and EVERYTHING skyrocketed up out of the toilet towards the engine room ceiling! Worse even if you happened to be looking downward!

Hot Water posted:
Standard Gauge posted:
Hot Water posted:
645 posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

BTW, Did the GG1's have a Toilet in their noses like Diesels do?

Next time try Google to find the answer:  http://prrthsdiscussionweb3023...ilities#.WNVt2VUrJaQ

Both EMC/EMD "F" and "E" units did NOT have a "toilet in their noses". The toilet/hopper was back in the rear of the engine room, and remember to NEVER flush that thing when the engines were wound up in full load!

OK, what were the consequences if you flushed?

What with the intake air for engine combustion being drawn through carbody filters into the engine room, the engine room was below atmospheric pressure with the engine at full load. Thus, stepping on the toilet hopper flush pedal opened the flapper in the bottom of the toilet hopper, and EVERYTHING skyrocketed up out of the toilet towards the engine room ceiling! Worse even if you happened to be looking downward!

Wow!  As always, thank you for your interesting and factual response.

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