Well in my opinion, a number of us have been giving him the "benefit of the doubt" with his many questions. However, I have noticed a disturbing pattern with a number of the posts he has started, in that he receives lots of excellent answers but does not ever return to acknowledge those answers, nor thank those who have provided excellent information.
As I mentioned previously, he has a LOT to learn.
Good evening, very interesting video.
Never really gave this situation on re-railing a locomotive much thought.
An incident when the train comes off the track the use of side booms on dozers are mostly used to get the cars back on the rail.
A situation like this is a whole different animal.
Thanks again for the opportunity to watch some professionals at work.
Thanks !!!!!
Hot Water posted:...... in that he receives lots of excellent answers but does not ever return to acknowledge those answers, nor thank those who have provided excellent information. .......
Something everyone of us should do, Hotwater.
Kelly,
Thanks for posting this. My dad worked for the New Haven after returning from WWII, trained as a fireman for steam and diesel, so I know from him firsthand that railroading can be difficult. I'm sure if he was alive today, this would have made him smile with all the hard work performed and the successful outcome.
Tom
It is considered bad luck to change a name of a Ship or boat. I think that goes for Berkshires also, better change her back to old 765 before the old girl gets really mad! 
I can count 5-6 times where this has occurred in 40 years when the engine was numbered 765, so I don't think that's the case ��
Trust me, I am passionate about railroading and all of it's glories. I have heard the term "Young And Dumb", and I have seen examples of it firsthand. At my school, there are kids that go home and do drugs or drink alcohol, in fact, I was disgusted when I overheard two upperclassmen talking about what kind of beer they like the most.
Also, I don't play Pokemon Go, in fact, I prefer simulators. I don't even have a cell phone. But besides that, I seem to get labeled at school a lot. When people walk past me and they see me watching a video of 765 assaulting Horseshoe Curve, they usually just keep walking, some will ask, "Is that the Wabash Cannonball? (Since my school is in Huntington.)" But others are just plain jerks. I have been told things that would get me kicked off the forum if I repeated them.
But I take this stuff very seriously, and I love learning new things, which is one of the reasons I joined this form. I don't tell tall tales on the forum: I am not an engineer, I am not a fireman, I am 15 and a Freshman in high school, and unfortunately I don't get out to the railroad very often despite my liking of trains (I don't have a car or license). Some of my information may be incorrect, but like I said, I love to learn.
All I'm saying is that I don't want to come off as a smart-alec or a threat. This is one of the only places where my railman voice is actually heard, and I don't want that to end. 
-Brody Have a nice day everyone! 
Great post, Don't let us old farts get to you. This is a conversation I had with one of my fellow conductors...
"remember those grumpy miserable old guys when we first started.... Yep! we're those guys now.
Hot Water posted:Well in my opinion, a number of us have been giving him the "benefit of the doubt" with his many questions. However, I have noticed a disturbing pattern with a number of the posts he has started, in that he receives lots of excellent answers but does not ever return to acknowledge those answers, nor thank those who have provided excellent information.
As I mentioned previously, he has a LOT to learn.
I don't disagree with you, Jack. Just saying that teens come across in their own way. Really, I see plenty of adults get good info and never acknowledge the assistance. In some fields of military history, I'm considered a very good resource for info on a few subjects. I get random internet PMs and emails asking for info on the subjects I'm known for, and I hardly ever get even a basic thanks for the info. And we're talking about adults here. It's gotten so bad that in some cases, my response is predicated on the request. In short; if you demand info, you're probably just gonna hear a giant sucking silence and nothing else. It happens more than you might think.
And folks can scare off these kids if they're treated too rough.
Just think of all the RR museums out there who whine for young volunteers, but treat the few teens who show up like their own private slaves, or are total jerks to them? I've seen it with my own eyes several times (I didn't have the chance myself as there were NO museums or tourist operations anywhere near me growing up).
Trust me, I'm not going anywhere. I'm like that annoying dog that follows you home from work, I'll always be around!
So, you REALLY think that being an "annoying dog" is the best way to learn? Just beautiful.
Hope the UP BB does not derail. Due to its mass, a much harder retail.
I apologize for not responding to the answers I receive, but I have a valid reason. Being in high school, I type up questions during my passing period which is 6 minutes. By the time I get to class I have about 2 minutes to type. So I thank you all for your answers, and they have helped a lot. Sorry for not responding.
I really need to get a car and go to the shops at New Haven and get myself familiar with 765's inner mechanics before I start fireman training.
Would all of you PLEASE learn how to just post a REPLY here and NOT use the "REPLY WITH QUOTE" feature? This thread was becoming almost impossible to read because of all the useless re-quotes of previous posts within new posts!
I just did a lot of surgery on this to fix it.
Good morning, watching this video and what it takes to re-rail the 767, I couldn't imagine putting a Big Boy Locomotive back onto the rail.
Could you imagine doing this out along a branch line or the main line back in the day.
Even worse the middle of winter when the temperatures drop below 0 with wind chill factors and the rails are brittle from the cold, Brrrrrr !!!!!!
Had to have some tough and creative railroaders back then !!!!!!!
Could you imagine doing this out along a branch line or the main line back in the day?
Even worse the middle of winter when the temperatures drop below 0 with wind chill factors and the rails are brittle from the cold, Brrrrrr !!!!!!
Had to have some tough and creative railroaders back then !!!!!!!
You're right I couldn't imagine trying to re-rail a steamer anywhere. It's one thing to drag an empty box car over a frog or use blocks of wood but this is different.
The real experts were from the car dept... Although most first class railways had many department such as work equipment. They manned the track machines , American Cranes , burros and just about everything you can think of track-wise but the car dept had the big 250 ton hook. This was the pride and joy of the car dept and was always on stand-by with a complete train.( diner,sleeping car, tool car & caboose.) They knew how to dig a car out of the swamp, get it back on the track and patch it up so it could be moved. I've been at a couple of wrecks and was amazed at how quiet the big hook was. Once the outriggers were out and ready to make a lift,the crane helper would go to the opposite side of the lift with what looked like a long extension cord with a button on the end He would get down on his knees and watch the cranes to see if the wheels were going to lift. If they did he could signal operator to back off. One other thing I can remember, We had been on duty at least 20 hours (no hour restrictions back then) and ready to make a lift when the engineman decided to move on his own.... No damage. Turns out he fell asleep and dreamed someone told him to back up.. There was a lot of radio chatter near by at the main yard.. That ended the day and another crew was taxied out with 2 engineman. Almost had to call the Capreol hook to put the Toronto Hook back on the track.
I have no idea if the "big Hook is still used. Seems they just find the biggest bulldozer and push everything out of the way. (perhaps not dangerous commodities)
Could someone please explain why 765 couldn't re-rail itself under its own power. I've seen diesels do it before so why couldn't 765?
It's very heavy and there was a lot of oil and grease on the rai and re-railers.l. It's also sitting on the ground & chewed up railway ties. ( no traction) Even with the two 44 tonners it was a bit of a struggle at first.
Brody, did you watch the video? The 765's tender had been disconnected to make re-railing easier. No tender = no fuel = no steam.
Rarely would you use derailed power to re-rail itself. You don't want lots of torque on the wheels running over the re-railers. One slip could send those things flying. Plus, with half of her drivers on the ground, the 765 probably could not get enough traction to pull herself up on the rail anyway.
Well done to the FWRHS on re railing 765 I watched a NS crew struggle with re railing two box cars at CP Mace ( massillion, Ohio) and it was on the lead to the local factory
Thanks Rich and Gregg!
I guess it was this video that threw me off about a locomotive re-railing itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjsXd-y6fyw
What else is there to do with no re-railers?! When all else fails, notch it up!
Railfan Brody posted:
What else is there to do with no re-railers?!
If there are no re-railers available (which is pretty hard to believe anyway), then it takes a LOT more oak blocks and planks.
I wonder what people did when the worlds first steam locomotive derailed. They probably just problem solved, but they must have been confused on what to do if it was a brand new thing.
Railfan Brody posted:I wonder what people did when the worlds first steam locomotive derailed. They probably just problem solved, but they must have been confused on what to do if it was a brand new thing.
Your kidding,,,,,,,right?
nathansixchime posted:Matt A posted:At 4:20 in the video the drivers slip. Was the locomotive being run on compressed air?
Yep, you can even hear a brief chuff during that spin.
How much pressure were you using?
My guess is 245 pounds because that's the maximum boiler pressure. But I could be wrong.
Wouldn't need to be that high, but probably 100lbs or so. I didn't climb in the cab.
Hey Kelly Everything back together and track fixed ? Once again Thanks, this is something not everyone and even railroaders get to experience.
Everything was pretty much set back up within the week after the re-railing. We're doing some extensive track work this fall, though much of it is on track we don't own between our shop and the mainline.
Railfan Brody posted:My guess is 245 pounds because that's the maximum boiler pressure. But I could be wrong.
We're talking about an COMPRESSED AIR here, not steam pressure. 100-110 psi at best. It would take one monster compressor to develop 245 psi!
I assume there were no damages to the flanges on the wheels?
The one time I helped with re-railing a steam locomotive, they found some dings to the edges of the flanges, probably from riding over the tie plates? I was surprised to see that afterward, even though it wasn't anything that sidelined the locomotive and they had zero issues with it later because of going onto the ground.
I've always wondered how much you could screw up the running gear from derailing at a slow speed incident like 765/767 had...
Good evening,
Developing 245psi is one thing maintaining it is another.
You would be amaze what 10psi will do when you have enough volume behind it !!!!
MarkStrittmatter posted:You would be amaze what 10psi will do when you have enough volume behind it !!!!
With steam pressure, yes 10psi can make quite a difference. With air pressure, not so much since there is not much heat energy involved, even if one could find a portable air compressor capable of putting out 245 psi..
How is the compressed air routed to the pistons??
I've looked thru this thread and watched the video, but I'm not seeing an answer to this.
The boiler is pressurized with the compressed air. Then you use the throttle just as you would if the boiler had steam pressure on it. The only difference is that you have only ~100 psi available and the pressure will drop fairly rapidly as you use the air to move the locomotive.
Makes sense. Never thought about filling up the boiler with compressed air due to the volume needed.
Thanks.
The compressed air is taking the place of steam. It's pumped into the boiler via a blower line and pressurizes the boiler in the same way steam would.
Does the FRA have a certain age limit for steam locomotive firemen?
Railfan Brody posted:Does the FRA have a certain age limit for steam locomotive firemen?
No. Not if you mean "maximum age".
No I mean for the younger guys. I know that you need at least a drivers license, but is there a certain age?
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