Streamlined "O" Steam Locos - Suggestions?

@jhz563 posted:

What about a Mallard?

I bought one from Hatton's Trains in the UK. All sorts of problems: came with a bunch of things to be added, with little instruction. Body and tender made of plastic.

Coal load separate, had to be inserted into tender—and didn't fit! Finally I had to saw off a piece and file down sharp edges to insert it. Tender attached to engine by very thin piece of metal, held together with Phillips head screw—so you couldn't see details inside cab until you separated them. A few months after I received it, more bits to be added to engine mailed loose to me from the UK in flimsy 9x12 envelope, so arrived broken into several pieces! Just put all the bits and pieces into the box, never to de dealt with.

Here are some of my photos:

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I bought one from Hatton's Trains in the UK. All sorts of problems: came with a bunch of things to be added, with little instruction. Body and tender made of plastic.

Coal load separate, had to be inserted into tender—and didn't fit! Finally I had to saw off a piece and file down sharp edges to insert it. Tender attached to engine by very thin piece of metal, held together with Phillips head screw—so you couldn't see details inside cab until you separated them. A few months after I received it, more bits to be added to engine mailed loose to me from the UK in flimsy 9x12 envelope, so arrived broken into several pieces! Just put all the bits and pieces into the box, never to de dealt with.

Here are some of my photos:

Sorry you had so many issues with it, looks beautiful.  I guess Ace made one too, reportedly reliable but loud.

Then there's Weaver's GTW/CN U4B/U4A 4-8-4...

Probably "semi-streamlined"?

KD

@dkdkrd posted:

Then there's Weaver's GTW/CN U4B/U4A 4-8-4...

Probably "semi-streamlined"?

KD

Thanks! Will put that on my list to purchase.

@jhz563 posted:

Sorry you had so many issues with it, looks beautiful.  I guess Ace made one too, reportedly reliable but loud.

If you see all those little bits on the front, they're all plastic and come off way too easily. If anyone buys one of these, unless you're extremely careful, pieces will snag and come off. So it just sits on my shelf, on display.

I have one of these from Weaver (the 49er):

, Q, brute runner

Daily runnersLionel 2 rail forsaleT-1 in reserve

T-1 runners

Near side MTH T-1 is 3/8" shy

Williams in reserve, never run

(Surprise, it arrived in a Weaver box ??)

@Apples55 posted:

Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

I see Mr. Muffin is offering this, this week. Owell, it's only money (gasp,choke...)

I'd definitely recommend a royal hudson. Both Weaver and MTH have made some, MTH in both Railking and Premier.

@Tom Tee posted:

T-1 runners

Can I ask, which two models are those?

@rplst8 posted:

Can I ask, which two models are those?

One of them is likely to be the 3rd Rail model as it's currently sitting under my workbench after a repair trip.

The T1 with the red smokestacks must be the MTH model.  It's the only one I know of with red stacks.

By the way, the streamlined K4s #1120 in Tom's photo is a Williams model and not a Weaver.  I have that model and it is a good runner.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I see Mr. Muffin is offering this, this week. Owell, it's only money (gasp,choke...)

I saw that email from Mr. Muffins, Andrew. It is tempting... Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Luckily, I have the TMCC version, so resistance isn’t futile. Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Aaarrrrgggghhh!!!

@Bob posted:

The T1 with the red smokestacks must be the MTH model.  It's the only one I know of with red stacks.

By the way, the streamlined K4s #1120 in Tom's photo is a Williams model and not a Weaver.  I have that model and it is a good runner.

Bob;

The Lionel TMCC version of the T1 also had the red smoke stacks.

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

@CAPPilot posted:

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

Oops... missed that the photo was of the prototype. Mea Culpa!!!

And, yes, the rear engine looks longer.

@CAPPilot posted:

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

Longer and bigger.  It also has the blunt nose with full skirting.  I’ve never seen that combination before.

If there is a size difference, I wonder which is more correct.

@CAPPilot posted:

Bob mentioned the K4 1120 by Williams.  A lot of folks do not know about this Pennsy engine and the three others that were streamlined.  Most know about the K4 "Torpedo", which is much different looking.  In fact, I like the looks of the streamlined engines better than the Torpedo.  Here is Williams #1120.

love this ,took me years to get one,,,just wish it had a whistle,,but stunning

@Apples55 posted:

I saw that email from Mr. Muffins, Andrew. It is tempting... Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Luckily, I have the TMCC version, so resistance isn’t futile. Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Aaarrrrgggghhh!!!

Too late. Have just pre-ordered the locomotive.

I'm waiting for the end of Covid-19 to give some of my books to a local college library—we had agreed to the deal before everything shut down—which will free up more train display space. But now...

The already mentioned Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson made by Weaver.

This great engine(IMO) is one of the stunning locomotives made as far as how it looks. Classy comes to mind. I have yet to send this out for an upgrade, maybe next week as I still have to contact Alex M to do his magic.

You absolutely must get one of the scale NYC Dreyfuss Hudsons.  I have 3, two from MTH and the Williams Master Series loco that I keep in a display case above my layout.  This loco is pure art from the finest brass craftsmen.  It is also dynamic mechanical art when in motion.  One of my favorite locos. The picture does not do it justice, a truely magnificent engine when viewed in person.  Be sure not to confuse this one with the earlier Williams Dreyfuss.  There is no comparison between the two engines.

I did not see the Weaver Milwaukee F7 Hudson mentioned either.  Another example of brass craftsmanship at its finest for 3 rail O gauge.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Too late. Have just pre-ordered the locomotive.

I'm waiting for the end of Covid-19 to give some of my books to a local college library—we had agreed to the deal before everything shut down—which will free up more train display space. But now...

Congrats, Andrew. I think you’ll love the engine.

“Slip sliding away, slip sliding away

You know the nearer your destination

The more you're slip sliding away”

@CBQ_Bill posted:

I would love to have a detailed CB&Q streamlined Aeolus Hudson steamer in 3-rail O-gauge.  Precision Scale has made an expensive & beautiful version in 2-rail O-Scale.  MTH made versions of the Aeolus #4000 & #4001 with their C&O yellow belly tooling.  Although not very accurate, I really like its look.  

The 2018 Precision Scale catalog is here:

https://www.precisionscaleco.c...le-Passenger-WOP.pdf

I presume this is what you're talking about? As I just display them, I don't care whether engines are 2- or 3-rail.

Incidentally, is anyone going to the Greenberg show in Edison, NJ, August 14-15? I have a ticket, but with Covid Delta sweeping the country, I'm debating whether or not I'll go.

@RLaHaie posted:

You absolutely must get one of the scale NYC Dreyfuss Hudsons.  I have 3, two from MTH and the Williams Master Series loco that I keep in a display case above my layout.  This loco is pure art from the finest brass craftsmen.  It is also dynamic mechanical art when in motion.  One of my favorite locos. The picture does not do it justice, a truely magnificent engine when viewed in person.  Be sure not to confuse this one with the earlier Williams Dreyfuss.  There is no comparison between the two engines.

I did not see the Weaver Milwaukee F7 Hudson mentioned either.  Another example of brass craftsmanship at its finest for 3 rail O gauge.

I've got one from Williams (I suspect it the one you don't like). I bought it at the Westchester Toy & Train show about 3 years ago now. One of my first acquisitions. No one else wanted it because, I was told, it doesn't run in reverse. So I got it cheap.

Here's your photo, slightly lightened, improved contrast and shadows and cropped, followed by my photo of the engine I bought:

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

The already mentioned Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson made by Weaver.

This great engine(IMO) is one of the stunning locomotives made as far as how it looks. Classy comes to mind. I have yet to send this out for an upgrade, maybe next week as I still have to contact Alex M to do his magic.

It's a good looking machine, but it ain't streamlined! So, as he said when offered some Korean Kimchee, thanks but no thanks.

Yes that is the early one.  Not very detailed and really not a good representation of the Dreyfuss in my opinion.  The two streamlined vrass Williams/Weaver pacifics are great engines.  They are a little noisy but once you put a sound system in them you don't really notice the noise.

Rolland

@Andrew-Porter posted:

It's a good looking machine, but it ain't streamlined! So, as he said when offered some Korean Kimchee, thanks but no thanks.

Yes, you are correct.

If we want to get technical, the Royal Hudson is considered a semi-streamlined locomotive.
Weaver's Santa Fe Valley Flyer, Weaver's Lackawanna Pacific (w/ Pocono Mountain Route on the side), and Lionel's Asa Packer are other examples of semi-streamlined.  I personally lump everything into the "streamlined" category but everyone has their own preference.

Bryce

@RLaHaie posted:

Yes that is the early one.  Not very detailed and really not a good representation of the Dreyfuss in my opinion.  The two streamlined vrass Williams/Weaver pacifics are great engines.  They are a little noisy but once you put a sound system in them you don't really notice the noise.

Rolland

A few weeks ago I also bought another version of this, the Lionel 6-38000, from Trainz.com. I just display the  trains, don't run them, so control systems and operating stats are irrelevant. This:

It is too bad that you don't run these engines.  The Empire State Express loco has a wonderful whistle and is a really strong puller.  It was released by MTH with 18" aluminum passenger cars which are just beautiful.  I routinely pull 11 of them with this engine.

Rolland

Just bought the John Wilkes from Trainz.com . I went to the Greenberg Show in Edison, NJ, on Saturday, where, much to my dismay, many people were not wearing masks. Found nothing there to my liking, though I did buy a bunch of Lionel track.

Here's the John Wilkes:

Here's a shot or two of the Milwaukee Road's "A" Class 4-4-2 Hiawathas. I have one Lionel version and three Weaver versions. One of the duplicates will be re-numbered to #4 when I have some time.

One that would make many Lionel streamlined steam fans ecstatic: the C&O Hudson.

This Williams Brass K4 works pretty nice for me.

@Dylan the Train Man posted:

One that would make many Lionel streamlined steam fans ecstatic: the C&O Hudson.

Yup, have it:

This is a screenshot of the Pratt-Hollow Phantom II, as described in an issue of OGR. Is this real, or an April Fool? And if real, who produced it?

@Andrew-Porter posted:

This is a screenshot of the Pratt-Hollow Phantom II, as described in an issue of OGR. Is this real, or an April Fool? And if real, who produced it?

Lionel.

Rusty

Good catch on my T-1's,  I  Just measured them.  The MTH locomotive is 3/8" short. The photo really exaggerated the difference.  The are both silent runners.

The PRR Williams engine...well it came in a Weaver box?!?  Have to find the box and recheck the label.

Corrections made, thank you guys.

That 6-3800 is a great loco. I usually run mine with the separate sale PT Tender and the matching CC2 Empire State cars. I love the detailed interiors, it's one of my favorite trains to run.

I suspect when the one of my two 6-28084 20th Century Hundson's returns from an overhaul by a certain forum member and upgrading genius that my 20th Century set will supplant the Empire State as my favorite.

@Rusty Traque posted:

Lionel.

Rusty

Thanks. I see it was already discussed here on the OGR Forum:

https://ogrforum.com/...onel-phantom-6-81470

I see a 3rd Rail PRR Q1 for sale on the OGR Forum, here:

https://ogrforum.com/topic/fs-3rd-rail-q1

Tempting, but I've already shelled out a whole bunch of money in August. What do you think?