Streamlined "O" Steam Locos - Suggestions?

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I've been acquiring streamlined steam locomotives in the last few years and I think I might have reached the limits of the genre. I have been following Fred Van Der Lubbe's website with its streamlined collection posts.

Question: Did K-Line, Weaver, Williams, etc. produce streamlined steam models? I already own an Ace Coronation, a K-Line PRR 4812, a Weaver Yellow Jacket, a Williams Hudson, a 3rd Rail NYC Mercury.

Here are a couple of photos of the models I already have:

What about the Pennsylvania S1 and T1??? I have both that Lionel made, some of the other manufacturers may have as well.

Off the top of my head...

N&W "J": Williams, MTH, Lionel

CP Royal Hudson: Weaver, MTH

CP Selkirk: 3rd Rail

NYC 20th Century Ltd. Dreyfus: Lionel, MTH

NYC Empire State Express: MTH

UP 49er Pacific: Weaver, MTH RailKing

New Haven I-5: Weaver

SP Daylight GS4: Lionel, MTH

SP GS6: Lionel, MTH

Rusty

Weaver, Lehigh Valley, 4-6-2, "Black Diamond".

MTH, Canadian Pacific, Hudson.

Nice examples, Andrew.

Weaver made a New Haven Railroad I-5 Hudson. I assume you already have a Norfolk & Western J-Class #611 made by MTH and others.

MELGAR

Weaver also did the streamlined B&O Cincinnatian.

Sunset 3rd Rail had short run for B&O P-7e 5315, which had a smooth faced pilot and running board side skirting. But I guess that's more semi-streamlining than a full measure job.

Sunset 3rd Rail also had planned to do the B&O's first Otto Kuhler streamlined bullet nosed, Royal Blue 4-6-2 and a set of cars for it but dropped the project for lack of interest.

S. Islander 

Under "semi-streamlined," Weaver also made a Santa Fe Valley Flyer.  Lionel also cataloged a less accurate version in the last catalog.

Rusty

You could add a prewar Lionel 238, 4-4-0 Pennsylvania torpedo from the 1930s if you want to go that far back.

Charlie

You have a long way to go - here are some additional engines

Scale Models - Weaver

Hiawatha (note there is the 4-4-2 version too)

PRR

Lehigh Valley - Black Diamond

Lehigh Valley John Wilkes

...and if you decide to expand into the more toy like realm there's even more...here's a few examples

Lionel

American Flyer

Marx

JEP

etc.

Add these (all Pacifics):

Weaver Southern Tennessean

Williams PRR K4s #1120 bullet-nose

Weaver B&O Cincinnatian

Weaver UP 49er

also Weaver CP F1A Jubilee 4-4-4

You're not even close. Some that were missed in the above collections.  Here's a few that I have.

The Reading Crusader.

C&O M-1 Coal Turbine

How about the Union Pacific M10000?  Wait, that's a diesel, but it's cool.

Let's add the Southern Tennessean and the Reading RR's Crusader with those neat passenger cars. Both made by Weaver.

Gerry

@Apples55 posted:

What about the Pennsylvania S1 and T1??? I have both that Lionel made, some of the other manufacturers may have as well.

I have the PRR 6111; bought it from Mr. Muffin.

@Rusty Traque posted:

Off the top of my head...

N&W "J": Williams, MTH, Lionel

CP Royal Hudson: Weaver, MTH

CP Selkirk: 3rd Rail

NYC 20th Century Ltd. Dreyfus: Lionel, MTH

NYC Empire State Express: MTH

UP 49er Pacific: Weaver, MTH RailKing

New Haven I-5: Weaver

SP Daylight GS4: Lionel, MTH

SP GS6: Lionel, MTH

Rusty

Good suggestions. I've got the Dreyfuss, the 49er, the GS-4. Just bought the Lionel 6-38000 NYC 4-6-4 Empire State. Came in this week from Trainz. I don't yet have the John Wilkes, but do have the Crusader. I don't want to collect anything but "O", so no S or toy trains.

I will have to Google the others.

Some more images of my engines:

I also have other, nonstreamlined trains, including the Lionel trains I got from my brother from my childhood, and others I bought before I decided to specialize in streamliners.

I live in a 1-bedroom apt in NYC, and with my thousands of books, plus original SF artwork, trying not to start looking loke a hoarder!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

You're not even close. Some that were missed in the above collections.  Here's a few that I have.

C&O M-1 Coal Turbine

How about the Union Pacific M10000?  Wait, that's a diesel, but it's cool.

The Coal Turbine: thought about it, but decided to pass. The UP M1000 is cool, but to gain the full impact, you need the passenger cars. The only passenger cars I have are the ones I got from my brother, the Lionel 2400, 01 and 02.

Her's another photo, my custom-built (from Classywoods; he's out of business) shelves:

On top of the shelf is a plastic 1:50 model I built from a kit decades ago.

@gmorlitz posted:

Let's add the Southern Tennessean... made by Weaver.

Gerry

Thanks. Didn't know about the Southern Tennessean. Will definitely acquire that!

Did Weaver ever do catalogs, and are they on line anywhere?

I want to say a big Thank You to everyone who has commented so far. These are wonderful suggestions, and I'll follow them up. As soon as I play musical books, move things around, sell off more of my book collection!

And speaking of toys, I was given these as a child in that early 1950s. Wooden toys from Strombecker, which I only identified by going to the N-Y Historical Society:

Bob mentioned the K4 1120 by Williams.  A lot of folks do not know about this Pennsy engine and the three others that were streamlined.  Most know about the K4 "Torpedo", which is much different looking.  In fact, I like the looks of the streamlined engines better than the Torpedo.  Here is Williams #1120.

You'll have to build this one, once you are through with your "as-is" collection (just make sure you at least have the Century and ESE Hudsons, and the Southern Tennessean Ps-4). I started with a 1980's Williams brass Heavy USRA 4-6-2 and an old 1940's Lobaugh(?) tender.  Train America TMCC/RS.

The Louisville and Nashville had 3 of these stream-styled Pacifics (there were differences between them).

BTW, both below Otto Kuhler-styled. It shows. I don't have the LV locos, alas.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I have the PRR 6111; bought it from Mr. Muffin.

Nice, Andrew. Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

3rdRail did two additional locomotives.

N&W K-2

NYC Mercury

They also made the N&W Jawn Henry.

Jan

I really like the streamlined (art deco) steam engines. For the manufacturers they seem to be hard sells. For example, Weaver announced the NH I-5 in the early 2000's. I put a deposit on it. A year and a half later it still hadn't arrived. MTH put one in their catalog. I cancelled the Weaver and went with the MTH. MTH didn't get enough pre-orders to make it. So they didn't. I think Weaver eventually did a second run, but I was tuned out on it by then, so I didn't order it. I eventually got a used one and Marty Fitz upgraded mine (and his) to DCS. Great engine.

MTH was looking for a Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt Hudson, which I had, and Marty Fitz put me in touch with them. I sold them a Lionel 18045. I assumed they were going to make a premier Commodore. They never did. But Lionel made several versions of the Commodore Hudson, including a red one and a blue one. Those were "hot" for a while. My assumption is that they had a lot of shells unsold from their initial (or second) order. Maybe MTH knew that.

I suspect the best seller of streamlined steamers is the N&W J. Probably because Lionel made it in the 50's. Life can be strange.

Gerry

Another Weaver

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another Weaver

Absolutely beautiful!!!

For diesel trains, CB&Q's Pioneer Zephyr has been produced by American Flyer, Lionel, MTH Premier & RailKing, and 3rd Rail-Sunset.  Mark Twain Zephyr versions have also been produced.

I would love to have a detailed CB&Q streamlined Aeolus Hudson steamer in 3-rail O-gauge.  Precision Scale has made an expensive & beautiful version in 2-rail O-Scale.    MTH has made versions of the Aeolus #4000 & #4001 with their C&O yellow belly tooling.  Although not very accurate, I really like its look.  

Here's one I wish they made, shame there's no color photos of this citrus paint scheme:

Given your interest in the streamline period there are three books you really should read.  The first two are combination autobiography/history/personal philosophy of design and the third consists of pictures of all of the streamlined steamers along with a brief history of their existence. I think all three are excellent reads.

1. Never Leave Well Enough Alone - Loewy

2. My Iron Journey - Kuhler

3. The Steam Liners - Holland

@Jan posted:

3rdRail did two additional locomotives.

N&W K-2

NYC Mercury

They also made the N&W Jawn Henry.

Jan

Thanks. Have both; bought the NYC Mercury from someone on the OGR Forum.

@Robert S. Butler posted:

Given your interest in the streamline period there are three books you really should read.  The first two are combination autobiography/history/personal philosophy of design and the third consists of pictures of all of the streamlined steamers along with a brief history of their existence. I think all three are excellent reads.

1. Never Leave Well Enough Alone - Loewy

2. My Iron Journey - Kuhler

3. The Steam Liners - Holland

Thank you; I will look for them.

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another Weaver

Yes, gorgeous. It's on a shelf a few feet from where I'm sitting. Three of my photos of it:

Thanks again to everyone for your suggestions! I knew I could count on the Massed Minds here on the OGR Forum.

Here's another of my photos of locos I've bought:

Google has come through for us! I've found a source of old Weaver Trains catalogs, owners manuals, ads and the like. You can download them, too!

@Apples55 posted:

Nice, Andrew. Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

In real life the S1 is 6’ longer than the Big Boy.

How about a Streamlined Coronation class from Ace Trains of London?

On the smaller end of the streamline scale,  this gorgeous old set from JEP is on the 'bay right now

Andrew,

The website you linked above is really only as good as what people are willing to upload to it.  With respect to the Weaver catalogs, it only has about half of the ones I already possess, and it has nothing before 2004.  One might get luckier with the internet Wayback Machine.

Chuck

@rplst8 posted:

In real life the S1 is 6’ longer than the Big Boy.

And the S1 was not articulated leading to it being a one-off!!!

@jhz563 posted:

How about a Streamlined Coronation class from Ace Trains of London?

On the smaller end of the streamline scale,  this gorgeous old set from JEP is on the 'bay right now

Thanks for the suggestions. I have a Coronation Class train from Ace in London (photo below). And I'm not interested in toy trains (although I do have a few from decades ago.

@PRR1950 posted:

Andrew,

The website you linked above is really only as good as what people are willing to upload to it.  With respect to the Weaver catalogs, it only has about half of the ones I already possess, and it has nothing before 2004.  One might get luckier with the internet Wayback Machine.

Chuck

I don't have any Weaver catalogs, so this was quite a find for me. Have you scanned in any of your catalogs and posted them anywhere on the Internet? I'm sure there'd be no objection from the heirs to Weaver.

I noticed, by the way, that Weaver still has a page on Facebook, though obviously it hasn't been updated since 2014.

I've been downloading and looking through old OGR issues, and I noticed the vast number of companies and trains available 20 years ago. The question I have is, what happened?!? When and why was there a decrease in "O" Gauge companies? Is the answer in OGR issues I haven't looked at yet?

Lastly, does anyone have a source for Pecos River Brass, Williams, and K-Line catalogs—and did they do any streamlined steam?

Thanks again.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Thanks for the suggestions. I have a Coronation Class train from Ace in London (photo below). And I'm not interested in toy trains (although I do have a few from decades ago.

No problem.  I actually like your blue Coronation better than the white and black ones I have seen online. 

I can also say that the Weaver LV Streamlined locomotives were something I always wanted as a kid.   I can understand your desire to collect streamliners.

What about a Mallard?