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I post many of my successful projects here, but I am not embarrassed to share some failures, too. Besides, you learn from failures, right?  I surely do . . 

 

Anyway, this post has one of each . . . and a summary of lessons learned from the failure. 

 

First, the success - proving tenacity and learning from your mistakes pays off.  Shown below is my repainted Hallows Eve Lionel 4-6-0.  Same loco as used for Hogwarts - it is a scale British Hall class, and quite a nice little model of a very handsome loco.  The Hallows Eve version is quite inexpensive now, no doubt due to its garish orange and black, bat and goblin infested paint scheme.  I bought one to re-paint -- actually, I bought two, but that's the story later on . . .  First, the success.  Both the photo and the video below make the paint look lighter than it is: it is a very deep, dark royal blue.  This is the first successful glossy painted loco I have done.  The lettering and pinstriping are painted on: I painted the entire loco gold and let that dry 36 hours, then masked the numbers, letters, and trim with vinyl lettering and pinstripe tape, painted the royal blue, and removed the masking while the blue was still wet.  I am very pleased with the result.  by the way, "GWR" stands for Great Western Railroad.  Every loco I repaint is Union Pacific - as is this - UP is the great, western, railroad!

Close up without flash

Below is attempt number one.  The repainting itself went okay - no drips, no runs, all glossy.  But ugh - that color!!!

First attempt

My first mistake (and biggest lesson learned) was in not recognizing that light colors do not look good in glossy, at least on a model loco.  Still, my excuse is that it looked like a good color in the store, and later when I held the cap of the spray can next to the loco.  It is/was extremely ugly when done . . . it occured to me that it would look better satin than gloss, so I hit the tender with satin clearcoat - that improved it a bit - in fact it looked okay - not great, but okay.  So I did the loco, too. Disaster.  It was a 107 degree day outside, my "paint-room" (unairconditioned part of the third floor) was probably at 120 deg.  I just forgot . . . and the dullcoat dried in mid air and formed thick, translucent "plasticoat" over the entire top of the loco, as if some alien creature had slimed it in a cacoon.   

 

 

Other things I learned, or remembered after it was too late:

1) Big lesson: if it's going to be glossy, it needs to be really dark  . . . 

2) Don't spray paint in really high temperatures (or low)

 

3) Don't use primer - . . . yeah, I know . . . I really do know -- but instead, experiment on the bottom or on something like it and instead find a paint that works direct.  For my first attempt (the loco directly above) I did prime it, quite nicely adn well, and the cast-in detail took a noticeable hit - little detials like rivets and all looked blurred -  because of a nice thick primer coat, two coats of glossy paint, etc.  Attempt #2 (the success) used no primer and I worked to keep the coats thin as I could . . . 

 

4) Don't use pinstripe tape permanently: unlike the painted gold on the success, the black pinstripes on the light blue loco are pinstripe tape and vinyl letters and numbers applied after the paint dried and intended to stay forever -- they look okay from two or three feet away, and are easy and quick to do, but painted numbers and pinstripes, like those on the successful loco are just much better: the trick with gold first, then masking, etc., is worth the trouble . . . (and it is a lot of trouble).

 

I really like my second attempt, and not counting the paint, etc., this beautiful little scale Hall class loco cost my only about $260, even though I had to buy two Hallow's Eve locos to get it.  

 

 

 

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Hi Lee,

 

Thats an interesting "take" on the Great Western livery although early in British Rail days many express steam locos were painted blue as an experiment.

 

Either way it looks really cool in the video.

 

Regarding the loco you deem as a "failure" may I suggest repainting in a matt black with very heavy weathering ( see the pic of the one Dave did), As a kid I can remember seeing Hall class loco's in the most dreadfull state but still happily working hard with steam leaking from everywhere giving them a black/rusty brown look with white streaks where water had leaked. You could also leave it un numbered or named or lettered as I can remember it being impossible to read and most of the numbers/names had been removed or stolen because they were cast brass.

 

MIKE

Lee,

Your problem with losing the detail in the paint is not because you used a primer. The problem is the fact that the paint you used has large pigment particles. Try using Floquil or another specific hobby paint where the pigment is ground much finer and you won't lose the detail.

Originally Posted by mike w:

Hi Lee,

 

Thats an interesting "take" on the Great Western livery  . . . 

 

Regarding the loco you deem as a "failure" may I suggest repainting in a matt black with very heavy weathering ( see the pic of the one Dave did) . . . 

 

MIKE

mike w - that was an EXCELLENT suggestion!  It took a couple of days, but it turned out spectacularly.  The flat black "cured" all ails with regard to prior paint jobs.  I weathered it aggressively, and that brought out a lot of character. I do have some white streaks representing leaks, but the photo doesn't really bring them out.  Anyway, I love it now.

 

I cut down the cab roof so this will run on my low underpass mountain loop.  Unfortunately the tender is warped so the (fixed) front axle is twisted and the left front wheel runs about 1/16th inch off the rail.  Although it will get around my other loops on this mountain loop I will run it on, it de-rails on the O-36 switches.  So I run it with the railsounds tender shown, which I painted and weathered to match it, too, and that gives it sound, too.  Lovely little loco like this!

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Beatufiul work Dave.  I particularly like the red fading to worn on the front.  

 

The decals are a nice detail, but in my case, I did the "GWR" as paint (I wanted to try the masking technique, and it worked well) and the Union Pacific Decals I make myself for all the locos I repaint and relabel UP.

 

I think I will paint the pipes, etc., in the cabs of both mine.  My project for tomorrow is to add engineer and fireman figures, etc.  I'll do it at that time.  Nice touch . 

Actually Lee, I didn't know how to resolve the red, so I just over-sprayed and weathered it. I used Tamiya semi gloss, it is great paint. They are great engines to do up. The next one I do, I'll modify the cab and make it into a "Saint" class. I've also ordered a set of steel rimmed finescale wheels, I'll see if I can convert it to 2 rail.

I will be putting TMCC and Railsounds in it.

Jim, on the black loco, the decal is British Railways (Early). It should only be on the tender. A number should be on the cab side.

For the green loco, it needs to be Great Western Railway, GWR. also just on the tender. It can be either "GWR" or "GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY". Fox have many scales, I find it a little hard to negotiate their site. It's easier to tell them what you want and ask them what you need to order.

By the way, I used Neolube to blacken the driving rods on the flat black one and it is an incredibly effective lubricant and good at making them nicely weathered.  One of the things I notice is always done on "restored" and well-turned-out "glamour" loccmotives is that the driving rods are shiny or painted/polished to contrast, but in almost all photos I see of "working locos" way back when, even if they were well maintained and not badly weathered, the driving rods are dirty and nearly the color of the loco.  I don't neolube most of my locos because regardless of reality, I and everyone else seems to expect shiny driving rods on model locos.  But in this case it looked really good.

Before trying to find another tender, I'm going to take the GWR tender apart today and try to fix the warp.  It's in the chassis not the body and I think I can do it fairly easily, either by just twisting the chassis back straight, or adjusting the one angled axle's bearing locations.  Also going to see about moving the railrounds to the GWR tender, too. 

I really like all the variations on the GWR theme you have presented here. Makes me want to convert a Hogwarts myself, as well as the coaches in the set, to either BR or GW ("God's Wonderful Railway" as 'twas once affectionately known). It's scale and much cheaper than the UK Bassett-Lowke version, which anyway I think is DC 3-rail. I'm ever more taken by rails across the seas, having French, German and UK (OO) models now. I still love my PW and modern O-gauge 3-rail North American outline trains though.

Jon Archibald

Peterborough Ontario Canada

Thanks, masoner.  I plan to paint/modify a few other locos (e.g., "super-detail" and repaint a remote Thomas loco to represent something more realistic looking) until I have an English countryside portion of my layout with a small typical UK country station - modeled after all those stations I see in BBC historical dramas and shows like Jremy Brett's Holmes shows.  Such TV "stations" probably aren't that prototypical but I want one anyway . . .  

 

BTW guys - I'd really like to have a (non-tinplate, scale) Gresley A3 and a streamlined A4 (Mallard), I don't know of anyone who makes them and I might consider tinplate if it were Darstead quality, but . . . if you know of any source.

 

Dave - I'll want a couple of those TMCC tenders . . .

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