Sunset post PAs on Website

They're going to do 304/5As with the horizontal grills and rain gutters and 304/5Cs with the Farr grills.  Both came in Daylight and both were repainted in Gray/Scarlet.  By the time units were repainted the 304/5As had been upgraded/modified to 304/5Cs to varying extents.  It will be 6 months or so until such decisions are finalized but right now my guess is that the As will be available in Daylight and the Cs in gray/scarlet.  In that case whether or not Cs will also be available in Daylight depends on folks specifically reserving that alternative.  Probably 90% of customers don't know or see the difference so the likelihood they will be separately advertised is very low as it will, and has, in the past, confused people, who get upset about it after the fact.

Also, as for all the modifications RRs (like SP) did to the grills, that will be up to the modeler. 

RDUNNIII:

Will the Nickel Plate Road have the bell in the nose?

Stephen

On the other post about Sunset PA's Scott says they intend to put the bell in the nose. RdunnIII, I envy your attention to detail. I wish my brain could manage all the details. Usually im not the rivet counter guy that wants to know all the details but I have the builders plates off SP 6055 and I'm trying to decide which scheme to buy. Ultimately I want to have my builders plates on a beautiful plaque with the locos on a display stand just below.

I do also wnat to know how he's going to address the train numbering system the UP and SP used on the number boards.

I am sure that, if you are willing to pay an extra fifty bucks, you could get any number you want in there.  It is about a half hour labor.

Whats $50 more ont a $2100 set of choochoos

Matt Makens posted:

Whats $50 more ont a $2100 set of choochoos

Used to be $2150, but with the new math that's taught today, the answer could be that +/- a few 100....

Well, I could use the money to pay rent for 3 months so your food analogy doesn't quite add up cuz I spend far less that $700 a month on food. I've got a couple of SD9s coming my way and I'm pretty stoked about those. 

Well, I think they should be high quality zamac.  I can put my own train numbers in there.

No question multiple unit diesels are getting expensive although nowhere near whats left of the imported brass  models in O scale [HO brass not far behind, fortunately a big enough collectors market to still warrant it] Division Point has announced a limited run of Alco RS-3s [36 + models] pushing 3K each and these are just O scale versions of the HO models they have previously imported, no doubt Overland SD 70 Ace detail level but not the ultimate detailed recent Keys, just saying !

The number boards will be Zamak? 

bob2 posted:

I am sure that, if you are willing to pay an extra fifty bucks, you could get any number you want in there.  It is about a half hour labor.

That would be a nice option. I have a UP A-B pair on order. I'd love to get "40" on the number boards for my Kansan Train No. 40 project. I have a lot of photo evidence I'm trying to model with this set and matching Harriman's. Cabside numbers 607 or 604 would be great with boards numbered for that train.

Otherwise I'll be reaching out to you guys for the best way to re-number them.  PAs on the UP spent a lot of time in Kansas, trains 39/40 Kansan and 69/70. Others might like the option for 17 the Portland Rose, 9/10 St. Louis to LA (1951+)

I've already emailed Scott enough. I'll see what comes.

I renumbered my 3rd rail F7's because the font was all wrong. I designed a file in InDesign and had it printed on a negative acetate using the process they use for making printing plates. This maintains the shiny aspect on the boards while ensuring sharp edges and no light bleed. Mind you, printing on acetate on home printers won't provide the same quality.

There you go.  That really looks sharp.

hibar posted:

No question multiple unit diesels are getting expensive although nowhere near whats left of the imported brass  models in O scale [HO brass not far behind, fortunately a big enough collectors market to still warrant it] Division Point has announced a limited run of Alco RS-3s [36 + models] pushing 3K each and these are just O scale versions of the HO models they have previously imported, no doubt Overland SD 70 Ace detail level but not the ultimate detailed recent Keys, just saying !

Just saying - I am a supporter of all the importers here. Key Model Imports drawings are the same level as Division Point ATM's and the RS ATM drawings will be redrawn to 1/48 and all detailing will be at the last Key Model project and like most brass projects probably even further higher resolution. The last project by ATM was the OMI SD's we all know them in O scale and the Filigree was unmatched by any builder from Inchon in 1/48 including much of KOH's projects and these were originally a 1/87 set of G.O.D.s.... Brought to 1/48.. Just saying. 

Also ATM's paintwork is in my opinion the finest on Earth. Fugulrex and Kiss among the finest importers in the world catering to the European market that is so far beyond what we expect uses the masterworks of ATM's paint shop. 

Oh .. Just saying 

That is nice work Santiago. Good job. 

PS: the research that went into those HO RS drawings was immeasurable well within the same caliber of any project by Key Model or Kohs. The 1/87 buyers are so beyond the expectations of the 1/48 buyer as a general rule... Frankly they are PBL, Glacier Park legendary Jimmy Booth level! Without saying too much all the importers use the same talent in Korea that in many ways is no different than what we do and in some cases out sourcing parts and work to China. In the end the same group of talent builds these fine models for us. We see brand X, Y, and Z but the same talents are involved. Granted a importer may utilize the special talents of one particular builder such as Mr Oh or Boo Rim's Sae Ho but in the end it's a teamwork effort to make these fine pieces of art. 

Speaking of art and thread drift here is recent oil painting I am working up for a local car show of one of my cars. 1996 550 Maranello. 

Mr Jae-Gil of ATM lead engineer and president of ATM previously known at Ajin Train Model proudly presenting the fabulous SD70’s in O scale.

Reminder that these are production models in 1/87 roughly half of 1/48. 

More 1/87.. Or are any of these 1/48? 

My favorite subject!

Erik C Lindgren posted:

hibar posted:

No question multiple unit diesels are getting expensive although nowhere near whats left of the imported brass  models in O scale [HO brass not far behind, fortunately a big enough collectors market to still warrant it] Division Point has announced a limited run of Alco RS-3s [36 + models] pushing 3K each and these are just O scale versions of the HO models they have previously imported, no doubt Overland SD 70 Ace detail level but not the ultimate detailed recent Keys, just saying !

The 1/87 buyers are so beyond the expectations of the 1/48 buyer as a general rule... Frankly they are PBL, Glacier Park legendary Jimmy Booth level!

Speaking of art and thread drift here is recent oil painting I am working up for a local car show of one of my cars. 1996 550 Maranello. 

This is truly one of my pet peeves Erik.   Apathy towards accuracy or fidelity.

From track to rolling stock to structures, O scale has the ability to replicate details and accuracy in a way that is light years beyond smaller scales.

Yet many O scale modelers just don't embrace it.  A boxcar is a boxcar and you're admonished if you want something more accurate or better detailed to build it yourself. 

And you made a second but equally important point.  No two importers or projects are the same.   Not all Boo Rim projects have the level of the Car and Locomotive Shop or Glacier Park Models locomotives.

With that said, Sunset keeps raising the bar for their projects.  Just keeps getting better and better (and YES, as required,  more expensive).

Peace to all. 

Rule292 posted:

 

Yet many O scale modelers just don't embrace it.

I don't know that they don't embrace it - there are some financial considerations involved,

From track to rolling stock to structures, O scale has the ability to replicate details and accuracy in a way that is light years beyond smaller scales.

Now you've picked up one of my peeves - scale structures.   Many simply think just like Lucy van Pelt and that all structures should cost 5 cents,

mwb posted:

Rule292 posted:

 

Yet many O scale modelers just don't embrace it.

I don't know that they don't embrace it - there are some financial considerations involved,

From track to rolling stock to structures, O scale has the ability to replicate details and accuracy in a way that is light years beyond smaller scales.

Now you've picked up one of my peeves - scale structures.   Many simply think just like Lucy van Pelt and that all structures should cost 5 cents,

MOST (but not all) of us have waaaaay too many locomotives and cars and way too little scenery OR accurately detailed structures.

Structure building > car building any time. 

Eric, why did you paint the tree branch reflection in the windshield?

Rule292 posted:

mwb posted:

Rule292 posted:

 

Yet many O scale modelers just don't embrace it.

I don't know that they don't embrace it - there are some financial considerations involved,

From track to rolling stock to structures, O scale has the ability to replicate details and accuracy in a way that is light years beyond smaller scales.

Now you've picked up one of my peeves - scale structures.   Many simply think just like Lucy van Pelt and that all structures should cost 5 cents,

MOST (but not all) of us have waaaaay too many locomotives and cars and way too little scenery OR accurately detailed structures.

Structure building > car building any time. 

All too true.  One of the reasons I've been selling off both locomotives and cars, and even extra structures.

And, if Structure building > car building one might think that the willingness to pay commensurately for structures would prevail - but then that's application of rational thought,

It's also why it is exceedingly rare that I will build for others anymore.....

I applaud the move toward absolute fidelity - but readily admit that it is not my hobby.  I get joy out of seeing these things, but have almost no desire to own a definitive model made by somebody else.

Like Erik, I am a freak for the Warbonnet PA, and I would trade my Overland PRR PAs in a heartbeat for the same thing in ATSF.  They are not the "definitive" model, but they are fairly nice.

For me, while the brass detail is incredible what Ihave found is that it only really matters on that first impression. I'm amazed at all the tiny little details and all the under car body detail that is just incredible but after that it doesn't hold much for me. I usually see my trains from about 3 feet away will usually be the closest my eye gets so I don't really need to have all that incredible detail. I don't need to see what is in the little engineers pocket. While specific accuracy is important with regard to detail, I don't feel that extremely high detail, especially in areas I cant see while operating, is all that important and for me, not worth the money. Not to mention that all those tiny little details are at risk every time you touch the train.