The 2018 Lionel Catalog is here! What are you ordering?

Joe L posted:

I know this is a dumb question but which line of new Lionel Products, specifically engines etc. work with the older tubular track and transformer systems without changing anything? I asked the reps at the local train show and they had no idea. I know some don't work anymore with the older systems and layouts so I want to make sure.

Thanks

technically anything O scale will work on the old tube rail track with old transformers.  Below are the points to note though:

1. some new stuff requires a large turning radius.  Make sure the diameter of your tube rail can handle

2. LionChief Engines only function from their remote.  that means you set your old transformer to full power and then run the train with the remote.  (LionChief Plus works with the transformer or its included remote)

many people often point out to have proper circuit protection to avoid damaging electrical components of new engines, as the old transformers don't protect against that type of issue the way new ones should.

jrmertz posted:

Joe L posted:

I know this is a dumb question but which line of new Lionel Products, specifically engines etc. work with the older tubular track and transformer systems without changing anything? I asked the reps at the local train show and they had no idea. I know some don't work anymore with the older systems and layouts so I want to make sure.

Thanks

technically anything O scale will work on the old tube rail track with old transformers.  Below are the points to note though:

1. some new stuff requires a large turning radius.  Make sure the diameter of your tube rail can handle

2. LionChief Engines only function from their remote.  that means you set your old transformer to full power and then run the train with the remote.  (LionChief Plus works with the transformer or its included remote)

 

many people often point out to have proper circuit protection to avoid damaging electrical components of new engines, as the old transformers don't protect against that type of issue the way new ones should.

Thanks for the info. Part 2 of the question then is, what is the difference between Lion Chief and Lion Chief Plus?

Joe L posted:

jrmertz posted:

Joe L posted:

I know this is a dumb question but which line of new Lionel Products, specifically engines etc. work with the older tubular track and transformer systems without changing anything? I asked the reps at the local train show and they had no idea. I know some don't work anymore with the older systems and layouts so I want to make sure.

Thanks

technically anything O scale will work on the old tube rail track with old transformers.  Below are the points to note though:

1. some new stuff requires a large turning radius.  Make sure the diameter of your tube rail can handle

2. LionChief Engines only function from their remote.  that means you set your old transformer to full power and then run the train with the remote.  (LionChief Plus works with the transformer or its included remote)

 

many people often point out to have proper circuit protection to avoid damaging electrical components of new engines, as the old transformers don't protect against that type of issue the way new ones should.

Thanks for the info. Part 2 of the question then is, what is the difference between Lion Chief and Lion Chief Plus?

Also what is Legacy Control?

Jagsandtrains: 

"Already preordered the Niagara 6005!"  

And I already pre-ordered the Pilot Niagara. So that's 2 Niagaras they've sold, for sure.

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I wish that they would tweak the tooling and offer a #5500 Niagara - the experimental one with the poppet valves. Visually the only notable differences were the air pumps on either side in the running boards (to make room for the valves in the pilot deck area) and a lack of visible piston valve gear (no eccentric, valve gear, hanger, etc). 

But, if they did, I'd be ordering another Niagara, and, whew. One of my brass Williams versions could be modified relatively easily (famous last words) to the 5500, though.

Possibly the Niagara.  Was looking forward to some vision line milk cars to go with it, but might try the baggage cars.  However, I'm a bit disappointed that the vision line baggage car will have those hideous buttons on the couplers.  I'm assuming these baggage cars will be plastic also, but it does not mention it.

Joe L posted:

Thanks for the info. Part 2 of the question then is, what is the difference between Lion Chief and Lion Chief Plus?

Also what is Legacy Control?

Lion Chief Plus will work without the remote, simple conventional raise and lower the voltage on a transformer handle.

Legacy is command control (wireless remote, control of more features than Lion Chief or Lion Chief Plus, requires command base and remote not included with engine purchase). 

These are defined in the front of the catalog (at least they have been - I didn't just re-confirm).  It's a good tutorial.

Dave45681 posted:

Joe L posted:

Thanks for the info. Part 2 of the question then is, what is the difference between Lion Chief and Lion Chief Plus?

Also what is Legacy Control?

Lion Chief Plus will work without the remote, simple conventional raise and lower the voltage on a transformer handle.

Legacy is command control (wireless remote, control of more features than Lion Chief or Lion Chief Plus, requires command base and remote not included with engine purchase). 

These are defined in the front of the catalog (at least they have been - I didn't just re-confirm).  It's a good tutorial.

Thanks for the info!

This Wi-Fi Camera Looks Like Fun 

Gary

B&O 2-6-6-4   

UP Steam Program LED Boxcar

UP Caboose/Camera

joker34 posted:

B&O 2-6-6-4   

For what it's worth, the B&O didn't have any 2-6-6-4s, and Lionel has only made the N&W Class A 2-6-6-4 anyway.

UP Steam Program LED Boxcar

UP Caboose/Camera

Thanks Hot Water, I'm aware they didn't have any that's why I'm not so excited about it. Well the only pictures I can find of B&O 2-6-6-4 are KB-1. They looked a little different than this. But on the other hand Lionel doesn't like to make B&O steam very often. 

Didn't see anything of interest to buy in the big book.

I hope MTH doesn't copy what Lionel has shown.

The catalog is certainly fun to look at but for the most part stuff is too expensive. There must be quite a mark up because over the next year we will be seeing substantial discounts (at least I hope). If Lionel was serious about attracting youngsters into the hobby they would sell stuff like the Harry Potter set or the Polar express set and accessories for more reasonable prices. Just my two  cents.

Jefny

Since I love starter sets and passenger line stuff, and I'm a New Yorker, the LIRR set is a must, as well as the Santa Fe. 

It's also cool that the horse car and corral are back. It makes me want that 5 Star General set!

I agree with Gary--the video caboose looks fun, as well as a few LC+ engines. 

If I ran the circus,  they'd make these starter sets 027 compatible, and put out an optional LC+ engine for all the starter sets, but I'm still happy with what is there! Nice, Lionel!

I noticed a CAB1L  that can now be used with any Legacy controller. Good deal.

THE H10 should have a step pilot on it .ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MISSING SOMETHING ON THE PILOT

romiller49 posted:

I noticed a CAB1L  that can now be used with any Legacy controller. Good deal.

It always could be used with a Legacy Base or Base 1L. 

I might order a Ferromex Autorack.

Andrew

A medium sausage and pepperoni well done.

Black Niagara, Gray Niagara, NYC URSA 2-6-6--2, NYC SW7,NYC disconnect set, NYC Vision Baggage car and the three trolleys. A Bunch of sensor track kits.Do I see a theme here. I'll keep working!

Everything there is to offer that's RDG or R&N. I've been saving up and praying for a legacy 425 and even though it's way overpcoed in getting it anyway.

Nothing...........

Hats of to Lionel,  they put a lot in that catalog to attract new customers, young and old.

And once again HO.

I did like the cupola camera caboose, though.

The UP camera car for sure, probably the lion chief plus, steam switcher in SP.  Those Niagras look so cool, luckily I do not model NYC. 

Probably nothing...Where are the 21' Passenger cars to go with the Chessie Steam Special from last year?

Nothing for me at this time. I would like the H-10 PRR freight set and a set of Berwin GLA hoppers. But the prices are higher than I can afford right now. I’ll probably end up with a 6-Pack of B&LE hoppers when they come out. Hopefully I can pick up the others in future years. 

Bruk posted:

Probably nothing...Where are the 21' Passenger cars to go with the Chessie Steam Special from last year?

No UP Excursion set either, but a new UP passenger set listed in the '18 catalog.  I had to laugh at THAT!

We've only  been waiting two years...

Excellent catalog, so much to choose from

MY LIST

VL Niagara 

NYC passenger cars

UP camera caboose

UP Flag box car

Alex

Is the Niagara really O54?  If so maybe I will.... 

Scrapiron Scher posted:

I missed the Vision passenger car. What does it do?

Here Eliot 

Vision Line Niagara

UP camera caboose

UP Flag box car

Sound Fright Cars

Sound Baggage Car

New LCS devices

and more!!

The Montana Rail Link SD45 and caboose.  Super excited that Lionel is making some MRL stuff.  Nice job Lionel!

I would say the catalogue was very disappointing overall.  Some of the O Scale engines are worthy of consideration, but until Lionel resumes installing their former best of class die-cast sprung couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs on their scale freight and passenger cars, I have exactly zero interest in buying any of them.

RON SOHN posted:

THE H10 should have a step pilot on it .ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS MISSING SOMETHING ON THE PILOT

It doesn't look as hefty as an H10 should. The MTH H10 has some bulk to it. Maybe it's just the catalog photo that doesn't do it justice ?

What I don't understand is why they don't make more of popular releases? I doubt if Lionel gives a rip about collectability value, they just want to sell.

It would be interesting to know who they listen to when compiling a list to put out. For the most part, I think people just think it is a big yawn.

I'll be ordering the BN caboose with the video camera. Very cool idea at a nice price. Will also grab a 30k GATX tank car. 

Niagara 6023

Well,

The first thing I saw was Muffins email and H10 hit me right between the eyes. OMG!! Finally an NYC H10 Mikado! Any NYC fan knows that H10 and NYC Mikado are mutually inclusive terms.

I started scroll down Muffins site and pre order one right then and there.  But wait, lets look at the catalog, since I am in a buying mood maybe I will see something else to order.

The Lionel page could not load fast enough. Finally the catalog opens up. There is the Niagara, - I'm happy with the CCII version, I keep clicking, got to see that NYC H10 Mikado!!!

I clicked the mouse a couple more times and OH NO, IT'S A PENNSY H10 CONSILIDATION BUMMMMMMER!!

Oh well, I will have to wait until I get a hard copy of the new Lionel Catalog. Maybe a freight car or two.  

The price of the 2 6 6 2 caught my eye. Do you remember when they had a hard time dumping the TMCC version years ago or $700?

I made a pledge that the Pennsy VL GG1 would be my last big engine purchase. Well I can keep my promise until the next catalog comes out.

Thanks,

Richard

There are no add on cars that I saw for the prewar inspired S-2 set so nothing for me. 

I was impressed ar their use of the old Flyer station to make a L shaped hospital.

steve

Only have about $100.00 to spend so I will have to settle for a bottle of smoke fluid.

Chris Sheldon