The Death of EOB

ERR Cruise is easier to install and runs better.

Jon

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ERR Cruise is easier to install and runs better.

I'll agree that the ERR kit is easier to install and for the most part runs well. However, one couldn't ask for more in regards to the smoothness and adjustability that EOB has to offer. It's great to see that Mike R. is on staff with the Lionel gang and surly thank him for his contributions with them. I do however miss the fact that we are no longer able to get EOB kits.

Milwrd

I already have a eob 3rd rail engine down and out with a burned out tach reader so it sits on the shelf.

Iron Lake, contact me off line, I can help. BF

I have two engines with EOB problems, I don't know how or if I will be able to get them fixed.
Scott Smith

Sasquatch can fix anything!

But will the ERR cruise upgrade change the chuff rate from 2 to 4 per revolution like the EOB product will?

I have 5 Lionel engines with sounds I LOVE and run great with cruise but dislike only 2 chuff per revolution.

Happy railroading,
Don

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Originally posted by DGJONES:
But will the ERR cruise upgrade change the chuff rate from 2 to 4 per revolution like the EOB product will?

I have 5 Lionel engines with sounds I LOVE and run great with cruise but dislike only 2 chuff per revolution.

Happy railroading,
Don

NO, the one short coming of ERR cruise. You will have to use a reed switch and earth magnets on a driver wheel if it will fit.

Gary, if you have a 3RD Rail engine with the 2, or 4 chuff cam you can still keep this option with ERR. I still think EOB operates my engines better then ERR. I use ERR to upgrade diesels and EOB for steam. BF

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Originally posted by scott.smith:
I have two engines with EOB problems, I don't know how or if I will be able to get them fixed.
Scott Smith

Scott you can also contact me off line and I will try to help. BF

I've got a question, but as background for it let me state what my understanding is, which is that you cannot turn cruise or EOB off in an Atlas engine in command mode.

Given that, this question - if a defect appears in my Atlas engines' EOB, will that shut down or interfere with the rest of the TMCC command system or circuit boards, or will the engine keep right on running but just without cruise control?

In other words, how will problems with EOB in the future affect an engine's operation, assuming you don't have grades and don't need cruise to start with.

I thought you could turn the EOB off in AtlasO engines?

Dir Aux1 Aux1 Aux1 number 3

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Originally posted by Sasquatch:
Gary, if you have a 3RD Rail engine with the 2, or 4 chuff cam you can still keep this option with ERR. I still think EOB operates my engines better then ERR. I use ERR to upgrade diesels and EOB for steam. BF

I have to ask Sasquatch. I'm looking for old EOB motherboard firmware pre noise reduction so I can control the smoke unit fan with the motherboard. The chuffing that is. Wouldn't happen to have all IC laying around?

Ok, I open it to anyone????

Somebody at Atlas explained it that way to me. But I know what it says in the manual about the "off" command. I also know it says the on/off switch doesn't operate while in command.

At any rate, it doesn't change my concern, which is whether problems with EOB will compromise an engine's running so that the EOB has to be removed or replaced.

This is also not going to help on selling an engine with a system that's been dropped.

gunrunner, I will agree with you on the diesel engines I have installed ERR in, but not steam. For some odd reason I just can't get them to perform well in steam engines. BF

Oh yeah, I forgot I have an atlas rs 1 with eob that just quit running and also sits on the self.

My problem is erratic response to the throttle inputs. The ERR cruise responds like I would expect, the EOB is very jerky, and sometimes one "click" on the Legacy controller results in a big jump in speed of the engine. Another oddity is using the brake in TMCC mode, when I stop using the brake, it will take off like it's in CAB-1 emulation, I would expect it to act like a plain Lionel Odyssey engine or the ERR cruise, when it's stopped, it's stopped! Finally, there is a noticeable lag in throttle response with EOB that's not present with either stock Lionel Odyssey or the ERR cruise.

Sasquatch, I have a few steamers with either ERR Cruise Commander (two MTH PS/1 models) or the Cruise Commander M (several Lionel models that had basic modular TMCC. I've seen no issue with the speed control of the steamers over the diesels.

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Originally posted by ironlake2:
Oh yeah, I forgot I have an atlas rs 1 with eob that just quit running and also sits on the self.

Well, that happens to other types of electronics as well, so I don't think we can call that a fault of EOB specifically.

I have two Drop-In EOB kits never installed if anyone is looking for them.

Dave, I am interested in your drop-in boards but you don't have an e-mail address. Mine is in my profile, please contact me with what you want for them.

Thanks


Milwrd

Milwrd I sent an email to your profile email listed.

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Originally posted by superwarp1:

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Originally posted by Sasquatch:
Gary, if you have a 3RD Rail engine with the 2, or 4 chuff cam you can still keep this option with ERR. I still think EOB operates my engines better then ERR. I use ERR to upgrade diesels and EOB for steam. BF

I have to ask Sasquatch. I'm looking for old EOB motherboard firmware pre noise reduction so I can control the smoke unit fan with the motherboard. The chuffing that is. Wouldn't happen to have all IC laying around?

Ok, I open it to anyone????

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Originally posted by superwarp1:


I have to ask Sasquatch. I'm looking for old EOB motherboard firmware pre noise reduction so I can control the smoke unit fan with the motherboard. The chuffing that is. Wouldn't happen to have all IC laying around?

Ok, I open it to anyone????

Couldn't you just do that with the chuff switch? Maybe buffering the output so it doesn't interfere with the sound board. Use a one shot to adjust the length of time the fan runs???

Pete

The turbo smoke effects when controlled by the EOB motherboard are incredible when it was allowed before MTH threatened TAS with lawsuit(reason why it was removed from 3rd party production runs).


When the new forum is up and running I'll post a video.

Gary, do you go to York in the spring, maybe we can get together there and talk. I have an idea that might help you. BF

Sorry to say I won't be attending York for some time to come.  Send me a private email with your suggestions

Still have two of the EOB Drop-In Board kits available.  One is complete and the other is missing the flywheel sensor.  Both have never been installed or used.  See my ad on the Buy - Sell board.

Couldn't you just do that with the chuff switch? Maybe buffering the output so it doesn't interfere with the sound board. Use a one shot to adjust the length of time the fan runs???

 

I've been wondering the same thing for quite a while now.  Isn't a chuff switch a simple on/off switch?  Couldn't the fan be wired through this?

 

Jon 

Been there tried it.  Here's a video of my 3rdrail niagara with a MTH smoke unit with the fan controlled by the EOB motherboard.  Upgraded back in 2002

I've seen the Reid switch with a magnet installed on a driver or tender wheel even did it in N scale but we called it a trigger but has anyone ever thought of putting 2 Reid switches inside the 2 steam cylinders? you'd need a Reid switch for the left and right cylinder.
You could mount a switch to turn one Reid switch off for 2 chuffs and mount a magnet on the piston rod slider that way you'd only need 2 magnets.
O scale is a lot bigger than N scale and you would have enough room in most engines,just wondered if anyone had seen this?

David