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On mid size layout with two Z4000 supplying one TIU and 4 blocks the tiu variable two (Var2) circuit burn and melt down the top cover of the TIU. In an other occasion on a bigger layout the same thing happen on the fixed circuit two(Fix2). Each time the electronic components meltdown without blowing the 20 amps fuse. All the Zk4 transfos are working with the Z4000 remote commander receiver

 

Questions

1- Does the TIU 20 amps fuse protect the input and the outpout. For what I think the fuse is there mainly to protect the input 

2 - In case of grounds the TIU send a signal to the Z4000 remote commander to bring the Z4K (handle)voltage to 0 volt.

If I am wright let me know or please give me the right info

Thank you John

 

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Hi John,

 

1 - NO

2 - NO

 

The 20 amp fuses in the TIU's protect the outputs.  If a short occurs between the transformer and the TIU the Z-4000's should cut power and the TIU fuses would be undisturbed.  If a short occurs beyond the TIU's outputs the Z-4000's electronic breakers will react and cut power long before the fuses blow.

 

The problem you encountered likely has nothing to do with a short circuit or excessive current draw.  Rather, the problem is likely a loose connection inside the TIU's binding post.  I have seen this on a hand full of occasions over the years and it seems to be caused by improper assembly procedure at the factory.  The binding posts of the TIU are held to the case by a threaded nut and lock washer.  In recent years they have also applied a drop of lock-tite to prevent the nut from backing off.  However, none of these efforts will be effective unless the person installing the binding post first loosens the red or black plastic nut on the outside of the case.  If the plastic nut is still tight the internal nut will seem to pull up tight, but will be loose as soon as the plastic nut is backed off.  When the post gets loose the wire from the circuit board to the binding post will have an intermittent contact that starts to arc.  The heat from the arching melts the case, wire insulation, etc.  Even one amp of current draw can heat the post enough to melt the case.   The best way to prevent this from ever happening is to keep the plastic nuts tight and use banana plugs on the outside of the TIU.

Thank you Dave for thoses infos

 Z4000 is a good power supply especially with the integrated volts and amps meters for both handles.  It is very handful to have an electronic breaker so we do not need to go under the table for resetting the manual breaker.

 

I am building a portable layout 6 * 12 with 2 oval loops. I am using a Z1000 brick with a Tiu (rev L).The inside loop his separately feed by the variable-1 (var 1) for conventional running. The outside loop is feed from fixed-1 for DCS command mode.

Question: Does the TIU have some integrated electronic device for ground and overload protection.

Thank you again John

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