Vision Allegheny

The Big Boy was a great big, advanced steamer designed to a specific task - start and pulll loooooong trains over the Wasatch Front range.  It could pull alot of cars at a good speed for a long distance up and over that range, while running on western coal, better than any other steamer ever made.  The Allegheny was a big, big loco made for a specific purpose and with a monster boiler and grate, etc, etc., arguably the the highest sustainable HP if not tractive effort.  And the biggest Yellowstones were monstrous brutes that had enough tractive effort to pull the earth off its axis.  Each of the three was designed and built to do its specific job, which I think each could do better than the other two could have done it.   That's why I really need good models of all three. 

PJB - I read your OP and understood it perfectly: you want a Vision Allegheny - I expect you will get your wish in a year or two.  But this thread took on a life of its own that had little to do with your original posting: you can start a thread, but not always control where it goes, particularly when it goes silly . . . 

Both are running at speed step 6 and the Allegheny started first.

Well I guess that settles 2 arguments

1) Tractive effort does matter in O scale

2) The Yellowstone is the "more Powerful locomotive"

FYI, I do understand reading comprehension and I did read your OP

Cool video, but this is like debating with a 6-year old.  You initially challenged my desire for a VL Allegheny (which I said is the other big steamer in terms of sheer size) based on prototypical tractive power.  Huh?  Now you show two toys pulling against each other.  Very corny. And, in case no one has ever explained this to you, the manufacturers didn't "scale size" prototypical 1:48 tractive power into either of your two models. So the fact that one toy can pull another toy has absolutely no scale correlation to prototype tractive power.  More importantly, it has even less to do with the sheer size of a scale Allegheny model being attractive because of its majestic stature.  

Holy crap dude you need to play with your trains more and stop taking life so seriously. Its all in good fun

I hope you guys get the VL Allegheny.

VL products have been hard on my UP budget the last several years! 

Excited to see what the next VL product will be.  I also like the fact that Lionel doesn't do a VL product each year.  Makes it special when they announce one.

I still get excited and love my trains.

OMG, I have been dreaming of a VL Allegheny for some time. After I got my VL Big Boy, this is the only thing I can think... especially when I look at the new Lionel catalog. I've even took the nephews up to the Henry Ford museum to see the real thing in person. Please make this VL with all the functions of the VL Big Boy and please include VL coal cars with rail sounds and a caboose too.

I've been after Lionel for quite sometime to see a VL Allegheny. Don't think you would see steam cylinder effect though as it would be too hard to do a articulated. Keep asking for it & hopefully we will get lucky enough to see it in the next catalog. I think it followed the BB in the first round.

John

I'll throw in a vote for all things allegheny.  Perhaps if a VL version comes out the price will drop on the last generation to something I can afford.  For now the Rail king and K-Line  versions will have to do.  

I have the JLC version and its a really fine locomotive, but way too big to run very often on the layout - ridiculous stick out on curves.  But it is so impressive looking, I keep it on the shelf at just about eye level where I pass by it as I enter the workshop.  I love it.  

As with my JLC Big boy, the JLC Allegheny is all that I need, given how rarely I run it and how it won't look that much better on the shelf.  But I would like to see Lionel produce one for all the folks that don't have one, and I imagine it is next up on the Vision list, actually.

Actually, it preceded the Big Boy the first two times. Lionel released their first Allegheny in 1999 Vol. 2 and then the first Big Boy in 1999 Vol. 3. Then on the second round it was the JLC Allegheny in 2005 and the JLC Big Boy in 2006. The third go-around now they did the other way.

Yes the JLC's are nice. When comparing them to a VL, JLC's are best left on the shelf. One day Lionel will make something better than VL. It which point I will buy the new thing and leave the VL's on the shelf. I hope Lionel keeps pushing the envelope of fun feature packed loco's and re-releasing the same engines with the new features. The Steam era is dead and the possibilities are limited. We also forget that not everyone had the chance to buy an engine that was released once 7 years ago. New people to the hobby do not want to buy someone's old junk with a million miles on it from ebay running in TMCC worse conventional, just to get the loco they want. I don't even want to do that. Lionel, Please re-release everything you have ever made. I didn't buy a Y-3 last year because it did not have a smoking whistle. Add that and my money is yours. I would like a re-released Class A as well. And for those of you who want something new please make a Triplex. I'll keep a positive outlook for that Allegheny too. In the meantime I'll be playing with my Big Boy and soon to be re-released Y6b (wishing it was a VL).

I run my JLCs only a time or two a year.  They are still pretty good - equal to current Legacy locos mostly, which is not too shabby.  The only reason they don't get more time on the layout is the size and stick-out.  The Vision locos have better sound - the Big boy is impressive, very impressive, and maybe better smoke, and a disappearing coal load, but that certainly is not worth two grand to me, even if I did run them often.

PJB,

 I don't have any VL Locomotives, but I do have a couple of JLC, I don't know that I would say that the VL are second to JLC in terms of detailing, it really is more a matter of a name change. VL and JLC are/were the BEST of the Lionel line when produced, there was no overlap in production of the two product lines, each were the BEST that Lionel had to offer at the time.

 I imagine that the VL details are every bit as good as the JLC, just a New Name, and new features that had not yet been developed during the use of the JLC moniker.

Doug

From what I have seen, cosmetically (paint, detail, etc.) the JLC and Vision are pretty much the same.  Electronics, sound and features are better though.  But since my big locos sit on the shelf on display only most of the time, JLC is enough.