Instead of VL, how about the AL: "Affordable Line"!
I will settle for a legacy Challenger or a legacy Hudson. But, would really like Vision Line Veranda Turbine. Hopefully, Lionel did not lose the tooling for this bad boy! Another possibility would be a Vision Line ES44 hybrid - would love one of those!
hclarke posted:I will settle for a legacy Challenger or a legacy Hudson. But, would really like Vision Line Veranda Turbine. Hopefully, Lionel did not lose the tooling for this bad boy! Another possibility would be a Vision Line ES44 hybrid - would love one of those!
Tooling for the Veranda is gone from what someone said earlier.
I'd like to see a Veranda Turbine as well. I have the original and it is a great engine.
Lets hope it's the New Jersey Transit Alp45dp, it would be able to switch between diesel and electric mode with a smoke unit and a sparking pantograph. But I think the most realistic thing Lionel will do is upgrade the S3 to have whistle steam to justify the very overpriced price tag.
The Dude posted:I'd like to see a Veranda Turbine as well. I have the original and it is a great engine.
I have the TMCC version, and it's a pretty impressive locomotive. They'd have to do something special to justify Vision Line pricing of any replacement.
a vision HO line would be nice
question is would it be cheaper?
Maybe Tier 4 diesels? The recent HO releases looked like they were very popular.
A Great Western #90? Naw, that ain't gonna happen ..l have only wanted one for years, since l discovered it still existed on the Strasburg. And it is so obvious ...Strasburg could sell them off card tables on the platform next to the prototype to the herds grazing through.
colorado hirailer posted:A Great Western #90? Naw, that ain't gonna happen ..l have only wanted one for years, since l discovered it still existed on the Strasburg. And it is so obvious ...Strasburg could sell them off card tables on the platform next to the prototype to the herds grazing through.
Well it helps to be optimistic instead of pessimistic even though it might not happen.
How about an announcement that Lionel would save forests of paper. No cats for 2018!! Let them catch up with product and QC. Then print for 2019!
I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
And oh yes... one other minor point... I don't want to pay $2,000 for it. 
P.S. BTW, not that these two thoughts are necessarily related, but I just received a broadcast email from Charles Ro indicating Lionel has extended the 2017 Vol 2 BTO deadline until October 24th, and Ro wants pre-orders in-house by the 20th to be included in time. So I guess Lionel plans to put on the full-court press at York, since it's no coincidence that the BTO deadline is now right after York. If that's the case, I hope they put some serious thought into upgrading their booth. What they've had the past few York shows has been, shall we say, very lacking.
An MP15AC with correct lighting (read SP light package or ditch lights), sounds, smoke (if practical), and superdetailing would be nice. MTH is the only manufacturer in O gauge who makes it, and their version (since it is Railking Scale) is good, but not great.
MartyE posted:Are the GG-1 and Big Boy new tooling? The Hudson? Maybe rehash was too harsh of a word but the original intent of VL was to do locomotive not done before in O. While I certainly appreciate the VL I own even though done before because of the added features, some new from the ground up tooling maybe required such as a Veranda if the tooling was lost. Yes I guess rehash was inaccurate but I suspect that tooling costs do often enter into the fray to create something not entirely new but with added features.
Way to go David! You defended Lionel! LOL! Just kidding. You were correct.
The original idea behind VL was all about the initial offering of new features, not newly tooled motive power. Those new features could be in a newly tooled engine or any engine or RS previously done and would then trickle down to the regular line.
Joe
Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
Oh my, another NYC Hudson???? 
Hasn't Lionel made about 6 million of them in various incarnations????? 
BobbyD posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
Oh my, another NYC Hudson????
Yes. And aside from the recent streamlined NYC ESE Hudsons from a few years ago which dealers can't seem to give away these days, the Hudsons have always been popular sellers. So I think if Lionel re-issued the J3A Huson from the 50th Anniversary set (last done in TMCC) with lots of nice detail and ALL the bells and whistles, it would be a top seller. AND it could run on lots of layouts of all shapes and sizes.
I just really hope it's not another beast of an articulated steamer. Time to change it up!
David
Bruk posted:MartyE posted:I'd like one of these...
Union Pacific TMCC Veranda Turbine in Visionline or just Legacy... It's been a long time.
I believe from rumors with the Lionel Reps was that the tooling was lost. I could be wrong....but that's what they were saying the last time the came to our shop. Regan would know.
That being the case, wouldn't it be nice if Lionel or anyone else offered Legacy upgrades where expensive engines like this can be retro fitted with the newest electronics and sound boards? Knowing how cheap electronics are my guess is Lionel would make more money with in house retro fitting then remaking this engine again...
joe
Let's see...
I personally wanted to see a VL Santa Fe F3 or a B6b, but that's off the table because they just did those...
I doubt they will do a Hudson or Berkshire as they've made a million of those already, and very recently....
It'll go one of two ways I think. Either a postwar icon or something odd that's never been done before.
There's just no way to know, so it's kinda pointless to guess....but the mystery is part of the fun!
-Eric Siegel
Rocky Mountaineer posted:BobbyD posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
Oh my, another NYC Hudson????
Yes. And aside from the recent streamlined NYC ESE Hudsons from a few years ago which dealers can't seem to give away these days, the Hudsons have always been popular sellers. So I think if Lionel re-issued the J3A Huson from the 50th Anniversary set (last done in TMCC) with lots of nice detail and ALL the bells and whistles, it would be a top seller. AND it could run on lots of layouts of all shapes and sizes.
I just really hope it's not another beast of an articulated steamer. Time to change it up!
David
Can never have enough Hudsons. A J3A with scullin drivers, roller bearing side rods and a PT tender would be a Nice addition to my layout.
All good speculation to say the least. What could they possibly offer that would be a big success in the industry? Northern's(Niagra's), unlikely. #90? Ryan did say it was on his list(VL, probably not). He also said he'd be bring back UP Challenger(and quoted last done as a VL engine in the TW video earlier this year). What else would that leave, lots of other possibilities as well as maybe not continuing. Who can say. Regardless, I would definitely like to be sitting down there when it is announced. Good luck to us all
Maybe "Visionline" is Dead like the JLC line. Perhapse the "BIG" announcement is the name change... and same items regurgitated again!
How about bring back the lion master line. They left off with a few legacy equipped ones. not everybody has room for the gigantic layout..
HCLARKE, Lionel did VL ES44 hybrids; the evolution hybrids. I have the CP red one. The other one is the GE gren, blue one. Awesome loco!. I doubt they will do another es44 hybrid VL.
Jsulli21 posted:How about bring back the lion master line. They left off with a few legacy equipped ones. not everybody has room for the gigantic layout..
There was talk about a bunch of Lion Master stuff coming down the pike according to Ryan. It is definitely a market that they should expand on given that not everyone has the space, that's for sure. Question is affordable which is always the question when it comes to Lionel. Something's they seem to price great, others they overprice, and some, well, leave everyone(or nearly) scratching heads.
You know, I was thinking about what other possibilities could come out, but not sure if they'd be VL. I know in the TW video, someone questioned if Lionel would make some of the British steam other than Hogwarts. I know back when they offered the Century Club, they had a questionnaire and I suggested the Flying Scotsman, how cool would that be to have that as a start to VL?
Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
And oh yes... one other minor point... I don't want to pay $2,000 for it.
P.S. BTW, not that these two thoughts are necessarily related, but I just received a broadcast email from Charles Ro indicating Lionel has extended the 2017 Vol 2 BTO deadline until October 24th, and Ro wants pre-orders in-house by the 20th to be included in time. So I guess Lionel plans to put on the full-court press at York, since it's no coincidence that the BTO deadline is now right after York. If that's the case, I hope they put some serious thought into upgrading their booth. What they've had the past few York shows has been, shall we say, very lacking.
Wake up David, you're either dreaming again or having a smoke unit nightmare
Question, is this announcement a thing that they have seats for at a certain time and place almost like the one they had had about the brass hybrids?
The announcement will be officially made at the TCA toy train museum at 4pm on 09/18. Standing room only. Be there and you will be the first to hear. BigRail
superwarp1 posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:BobbyD posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
Oh my, another NYC Hudson????
Yes. And aside from the recent streamlined NYC ESE Hudsons from a few years ago which dealers can't seem to give away these days, the Hudsons have always been popular sellers. So I think if Lionel re-issued the J3A Huson from the 50th Anniversary set (last done in TMCC) with lots of nice detail and ALL the bells and whistles, it would be a top seller. AND it could run on lots of layouts of all shapes and sizes.
I just really hope it's not another beast of an articulated steamer. Time to change it up!
David
Can never have enough Hudsons. A J3A with scullin drivers, roller bearing side rods and a PT tender would be a Nice addition to my layout.
YES! Lionels best detailed, most accurate hudson has only been offered once with TMCC , 2 chuffs per revolution, and old fashioned "puffer" style smoke unit, 15 YEARS ago.
( MTH has had several runs of j1e's, they always sell)
Certainly the J3a tooling is at the very least worthy of 4 chuffs, legacy, and whistle steam, if not the VL swinging bell. IMO this should have been the VL hudson in the first place, unless..... the tooling no longer exists, for whatever reason....but.... thats the same tender behind my ESE mercury j3......so.....maybe.....one day....
BigRail posted:The announcement will be officially made at the TCA toy train museum at 4pm on 09/18. Standing room only. Be there and you will be the first to hear. BigRail
Dang it, probably won't be able to make that. I suppose they will post something somewhere or reiterate it on Thursday if it is great news and not, "Sorry, no more Vision Line". Regardless of not finding out, heck, someone will post something on here Wednesday evening somewhere(maybe even twice, lol). 
RickO posted:superwarp1 posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:BobbyD posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:I'm looking forward to a nicely detailed, VisionLine steamer with ALL the steam effects (smoke, serious whistle-steam, cylinder steam, dynamo, etc...) and special effects like the swinging bell. Hopefully, it'll be a product like a scale Hudson that can run on just about EVERYBODY's layout without looking silly rounding curves.
Oh my, another NYC Hudson????
Yes. And aside from the recent streamlined NYC ESE Hudsons from a few years ago which dealers can't seem to give away these days, the Hudsons have always been popular sellers. So I think if Lionel re-issued the J3A Huson from the 50th Anniversary set (last done in TMCC) with lots of nice detail and ALL the bells and whistles, it would be a top seller. AND it could run on lots of layouts of all shapes and sizes.
I just really hope it's not another beast of an articulated steamer. Time to change it up!
David
Can never have enough Hudsons. A J3A with scullin drivers, roller bearing side rods and a PT tender would be a Nice addition to my layout.
YES! Lionels best detailed, most accurate hudson has only been offered once with TMCC , 2 chuffs per revolution, and old fashioned "puffer" style smoke unit, 15 YEARS ago.
( MTH has had several runs of j1e's, they always sell)
Certainly the J3a tooling is at the very least worthy of 4 chuffs, legacy, and whistle steam, if not the VL swinging bell. IMO this should have been the VL hudson in the first place, unless..... the tooling no longer exists, for whatever reason....but.... thats the same tender behind my ESE mercury j3......so.....maybe.....one day....
I would like to see accurate scale Hudson's myself as well. But according to Ryan in the TW video, no new Hudson's were on the slate at the time of that video being broadcast. Of course, that doesn't mean that there won't be news of one coming in the very near future as who knows what they will show as up and coming to get an audience buzz, eh?
Visionline j. Thats my guess.
Its time for a cool new diesel
JC642 posted:Bruk posted:MartyE posted:I'd like one of these...
Union Pacific TMCC Veranda Turbine in Visionline or just Legacy... It's been a long time.
I believe from rumors with the Lionel Reps was that the tooling was lost. I could be wrong....but that's what they were saying the last time the came to our shop. Regan would know.
That being the case, wouldn't it be nice if Lionel or anyone else offered Legacy upgrades where expensive engines like this can be retro fitted with the newest electronics and sound boards? Knowing how cheap electronics are my guess is Lionel would make more money with in house retro fitting then remaking this engine again...
joe
IIRC a "Legacy Upgrade Kit" was brought up by Lionel early on and then sadly they suddenly they said a Legacy upgrade was impossible for us and dropped it. If Lionel TMCC had 100 speed steps originally, (Didn't K-Line's?) it would have been fantastic!
jojofry posted:Visionline j. Thats my guess.
More safety for my wallet. Not inclined to give anything streamlined a second look.
I have a bad feeling that Lionel is going to make this upcoming Visionline engine a lionelstore.com exclusive. Like how they did with the brass hybrids
jojofry posted:Visionline j. Thats my guess.
I doubt it. They just did a Legacy J a few years ago.
AmtrakNickFilms posted:I have a bad feeling that Lionel is going to make this upcoming Visionline engine a lionelstore.com exclusive. Like how they did with the brass hybrids
I doubt this too. While there is no evidence to the contrary, there is also no hint that they would go in that direction. Vision Line has always gone through the dealers. I don't suspect they'd do a 180 now.
JC642 posted:MartyE posted:Are the GG-1 and Big Boy new tooling? The Hudson? Maybe rehash was too harsh of a word but the original intent of VL was to do locomotive not done before in O. While I certainly appreciate the VL I own even though done before because of the added features, some new from the ground up tooling maybe required such as a Veranda if the tooling was lost. Yes I guess rehash was inaccurate but I suspect that tooling costs do often enter into the fray to create something not entirely new but with added features.
Way to go David! You defended Lionel! LOL! Just kidding. You were correct.
The original idea behind VL was all about the initial offering of new features, not newly tooled motive power. Those new features could be in a newly tooled engine or any engine or RS previously done and would then trickle down to the regular line.
Joe
From what I have read on the forum, the original purpose behind the Vision Line was to bring out new features on NEW locomotives, (I.E. Genset, CC2, GE Evos, SF 2-10-10-2.) Then, when Lionel "learned" how much that tooling cost them, they decided to do "rehashes."
colorado hirailer posted:A Great Western #90? Naw, that ain't gonna happen ..l have only wanted one for years, since l discovered it still existed on the Strasburg. And it is so obvious ...Strasburg could sell them off card tables on the platform next to the prototype to the herds grazing through.
Not if its vision line, your average passenger won't be suddenly spending $1,000 to $2,000 on a diecast steam locomotive to remember their vacation. Sadly that's the price range these days particularly of vision line.
Since it's Wednesday and sometime today the announcement will be, I decided to reply to bump the topic back up.
