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I received my WBB GE 44-ton switcher last week, but didn't have time to see how it compares to my Sunset 44-tonner. Got a chance to take a few pictures at the club yesterday. When I got it, I took a quick glance, but didn't really have time to examine it. I'm a bit spoiled because I was lucky enough to snag a Sunset 2-rail GE 44-tonner about a year ago, so my initial expectations were that it was going to be more toy than model and I would have to add details. I was pleasantly surprised.

 

 End-to-end

 

WBB did a very good job of capturing the proportions. It's a bit hard to see because of the stripes, but they got very close. It passes the 3-foot rule. One "complaint" about the WBB unit is that it's a bit light. The Sunset is heavier to prevent slipping. I'm pretty sure, based on Lee Willis' photos, that the locomotive can be ballasted using thin stick-on weights.

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Side-by side

 

Here again, WBB did a pretty good job of capturing the 44-tonner. Note the missing side sun visors which are present on the Sunset model. I didn't have my calipers handy, but it appears the WBB cab is slightly wider and has a more pronounced roof curvature. They also added forward/rear visors which are molded on, as are the windshield wipers. Other items of note are the hand rails -- flexible plastic on the WBB; wire on the Sunset. I like the paint on the Sunset and plan to apply that to the WBB. Although hard to see on this photo, the railings on the WBB unit are nicely done. They even included coupler pin lift bars on the pilot. On the Sunset model, the pilot foot boards are separately applied and more detailed, but on the WBB model, they did a pretty good job molding them. By the way, the end of the hood on the Sunset model is not curved; it's an illusion created by the silver pinstripe.

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One interesting little item is that on the WBB locomotive, there are vents molded into the hoods, where on the Sunset unit, they're covered. Having never seen a 44-tonner in person and not having and documentation, I'm not sure what to make of this. I know there were multiple phases of the GE 44-tonner and this may be a difference.

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 Pilot Close-Up

 

Here are the pilots close up. A couple of things I didn't expect, and was pleasantly surprised by, was the inclusion of the pilot grabs brake hose and poling pockets on the WBB model (yes I'm thinking it is well into model territory, now). Another notable point here is the THE PILOTS ARE FIXED! . It gets better, too, because the coupler is NOT mounted to the truck. I haven't removed it yet, so I don't know how involved replacing them with Kadees will be. Also note a very good job on the bolt detail.

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The Drive

 

This is an apples to oranges comparison, but more of an info-only thing. The Sunset model uses a horizontal motor to gearboxes on the outer axles, with chains driving the inner axles. The WBB model uses a horizontal motor in each truck that drive only the inner axles, which have a traction tire on one wheel. Since this is a small switcher and would only be handling small cuts of cars this shouldn't upset anyone. WBB also put the pickup rollers out at the extreme ends to extend the reach and prevent stalling. I didn't get a chance to test this as yesterday was our business meeting and we don't normally run.

 

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Summary

 

I "needed" another small switcher for 3-rail use. Although I was excited to hear about the MTH 44-ton offering, the fact that it wasn't going to be available with scale wheels and/or fixed pilots (especially with the nice job on an earlier GE switcher) was a deal breaker. I opted to spend half as much and deal with adding details and command control myself. The WBB 44-tonner was a very pleasant surprise.

 

WBB did a great job with this one. It's a unit that people have been clamoring for and it doesn't look like they took shortcuts to offer this unit at such a good price point . Putting Kadees on will be a bit tricky, but not insurmountable. Speed is an issue in conventional mode but should be easily remedied with installation of a command board. As Lee has already demonstrated, it also lends itself to modification. I'm betting that switching it over to 2-rail for someone so inclined would not be too difficult either.

 

By the way, I did get decent low speed operation at 8 volts on a Z4000. However, it did speed up when blowing the horn. This will be remedied when I install a cruise-commander. The sound was decent, especially for a locomotive this small.

 

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Nice job with the report. I like the Sunset model, but I'll have to make do with the Williams.

 

I think my major gripe with the Williams is the delicate handrails, I managed to break one already.  I suspect I may take a stab at making some wire handrails for this after I get my Trainmaster done.

 

I did a test fit of the Cruise Commander Lite and the RailSounds Commander and other than standing the CC-Lite on it's side, it should fit pretty easily.  Since I'm not a Kadee coupler man, I'm looking at how I'm going to put electrocouplers on it for switching duties.

 

Thanks Matt,

i picked mine up yesterday at my LHS, and other than a test run on his track haven't had any time to really do anything with it. Maybe next week after i finish up a customer's ERR installation.

My only disappointment was that it is black instead of Brunswick Green (DLGE). However, that can be corrected at a later date.

GRJ, i'll be interested in your solution to the electrocoupler issue. Right now my only plan is to install a Mini-Commander and maybe find a way to retain that unique tinny clatter sound of the CAT diesel even if it means no horn.

jackson

The sound looks like it's driven from track power. I was figuring I'd have to replace it since running it off the motor output would be feeding DC into the circuit which would trip the horn/bell. The other thought I had was installing Proto-3 and using the AGEIR Box cab sound file, but from the motor configuration it looks like the flywheels are too small. Haven't had time to crack it open and look at its innards.

 

The Sunset unit doesn't have sound. My plan for that one was to install DCC/sound at some point using an H.O. sound decoder.

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The flywheels in the WBB engine seem pretty small, not to mention just fitting the tach encoder in there might be a real challenge!  The encoder will not resolve strips that are too small, so there's a limit to how slow you could get it to run.  I suspect it would not have great low speed performance with DCS, simply because of the tach strip limitations.  I didn't check the gear ratio, but I think it's not going to be a very large gear ratio.

 

 

My original thought is to see if the WBB prime mover sound input is AC or DC, if DC go from motor output on Mini Commander to input on WBB sound board (and trace and eliminate the horn & bell circuits - i did this on some MTH Locosound boards years ago when installing a DD command board plus a TAS 1308). If AC input i'm not sure yet as full 18v track voltage would be excessive! Have to wait until i get it opened and see.

 

jackson

Keep us informed on the sound. Being around these engines, (rented and used for in-plant switching) the sound is very unique and captured, would hate to lose it. The coupler is also another thing keeping me in limbo on purchasing, I know I can use 2, maybe 3 on layout. I'm sure if anyone can, Gunnrunner will have a solution on the couplers.

Yes, WBB should be proud of this one, assuming that it holds up in service. I actually

imagine that some will find it eventually "disappointing" when they attempt to make

U-Boat out of it and find that "it won't pull anything!". This will be User Error, but,

WBB will be blamed.

 

My only "disappointment" was to see that the couplers apparently use other-than-standard (as in ProtoCoupler/Electrocoupler) coupler shanks and mounts, which means

that putting these in to accompany a CC upgrade will be problematic and a project

unto itself. I have not had the loco apart, but this seems to be the case.

 

I'm interested in seeing the MTH version - the die-cast body is appealing, but the swinging

pilots are not. Still, cute being what it is, if a price gets right...

I tested it's pulling power, and it's OK for what it is, a very small switcher.  It can pull a couple of 18" passenger cars around, and a few freight cars, so no sweat there.

 

I'm waiting on an assortment of short couplers, and I'm going to attempt to install electrocouplers on mine, I'll be posting what I find when it happens.  That's my principal concern as well, I've already "test fit" the electronics, and there's no major issues there.

 

 

The locomotive runs and sounds fine.  The electrocouplers work, but I'd like the return springs to be a little nicer.  I have a better plan for my second attempt.

Did you see my thread on the conversion?  Williams 44-Ton Upgrade with ERR CC-Lite, Sound, & Electrocouplers

The parts are around $150 for the CC-Lite and RS-Commander.  The real work came in creating the electrocoupler mounts, but I have some ideas to make that a bit easier the next time.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

The locomotive runs and sounds fine.  The electrocouplers work, but I'd like the return springs to be a little nicer.  I have a better plan for my second attempt.

Did you see my thread on the conversion?  Williams 44-Ton Upgrade with ERR CC-Lite, Sound, & Electrocouplers

The parts are around $150 for the CC-Lite and RS-Commander.  The real work came in creating the electrocoupler mounts, but I have some ideas to make that a bit easier the next time.

No, I didn't.. I check it out.. Thanks for the quick reply!!

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