Welcome to the Legacy Users Group Meeting April 28th, 2017 (Agenda Attached)

Looking forward to the meeting Marty. You always do a great job.

Gerry

Thanks Marty, by the way, what version is the latest and greatest?

Mike

I'm in Marty, always nice to hear the latest and meet with old and new friends.

ezmike posted:

Thanks Marty, by the way, what version is the latest and greatest?

Mike

Base is 1.6,  CAB2 1.61.  This is the first time where the 2 were out of sync per say.

MartyE,

  As usual I am looking forward to the video of the meeting.

PCRR/Dave

I had so much fun the last time that the wife and I definitely will be back this time. I hope Timmy will bring a "friend" this time.

Thanks Marty, I have to check the orange modules that came with the station sounds diner car. I know they were v1.6 but not if the CAB2 is v1.61.

Mike

I will be standing by along with Pine Creek waiting for the video. I'm too far away to attend, but I really look forward to and enjoy watching all the videos of the meetings and presentations they have at the York meets. Thanks for doing all this!!

Dave doesn't have that excuse, he's a pretty easy drive to York.

Maybe he just needs a little nudging along.   It's on my bucket list to make it to York one of these days.

I will have to cut the questions off a little earlier this year as I might be attending the NAB show directly before York so I'll need to get them in and back before I leave. 

Cut Off for all questions to Lionel and JonZ will be April 14th.  This will give me time to get them back and the agendas pdf'd and printed before hand.  Get them in!  Again please make sure before they are submitted they are clear and to the point so we can have Jon and his team give you the best answer he can. 

Hi Marty. I'll see you there. Thanks.

Hello, Marty...

Frank M. and I will be there.

See you in April.

Question 1. Is Bluetooth control for Legacy locomotives possible/ on the horizon?

Question 2. Will there be an Icab equivalent for android users like myself who have no intention of ever getting any "I" things?

EDIT (Questions added 3/19/17)

Question 3. Between approx. 1998 and 2008, Lionel used "Box" infrared sensors for communication between steam locomotives. Starting in 2008 and to this day, the sensors are "eyelet" sensors. Was there a "legacy" reason for this switch, or purely commercial?

Question 4. Do all legacy engines have rule 17 lighting? I noticed that some older (2007ish) legacy engines do not have rule 17 lighting.

Question 5. Is it possible that the footprint of the legacy board could be made smaller for other scales (for example, HO scale)?

Question 6. Some Legacy engines, even to this day, have "railsounds lite." Is there any difference between "railsounds lite" and legacy railsounds 5.0, 5.5, 6.0 and later?

(More will be added later)

MartyE

Count me in for the meeting. Thanks again for doing this.

Ill be there!

Glad to see we are meeting again.  Marty, thanks for organizing!

I am looking forward to this meeting.

With a little more than a month to go I just want to again ask if you submit questions please have them posted by April 14th.  I have noted Nick's above.  (Thanks for being clear, it makes the answers easier to get.)

In case you missed it, Dave Olsen, Lionel's Engineering Manager will be joining us.  For a change I am told he will have some questions for us.  This maybe you chance to have your opinion heard on future Legacy enhancements.

Looking forward to the meeting, although since Lionel is not making their app for android devices (unless something has changed) not sure there will be much new info for me.  I am curious as to where Bluetooth is going.

More questions.

Question 6. Is there a parts list for the Vision Reefer sets (item numbers 6-81142, 6-83545, and 6-83549)?

Question 7. When TMCC 1 and TMCC 2 (Legacy) engines are having signal problems (as evidenced by flickering headlights) there is a trick called the "hand trick" which is when you hold your hand right above the locomotive with signal problems, it temporarily regains signal. Why does this trick work? (I tried to be as descriptive as possible.) 

As a side note, I seem to have monopolized the question section of this thread. Sorry about that.

Thanks, Marty! 

EZMike and Scrapiron will join you. 

Good Morning MARTYE, Your Tennessee Connection, Leapin Larry and From Kentucky, Charles "Legacy Lionel Lentz", will be at your Legacy Users Group Meeting...We simply want to learn more about the Greatest Command System from Lionel. Also, we want to meet our friends that participate on this fine OGR FORUM...Thank You for this Invitation... (please give good directions once we are in the Orange Hall.....Cheers!

Nicks Trains posted:

More questions.

Question 6. Is there a parts list for the Vision Reefer sets (item numbers 6-81142, 6-83545, and 6-83549)?

Question 7. When TMCC 1 and TMCC 2 (Legacy) engines are having signal problems (as evidenced by flickering headlights) there is a trick called the "hand trick" which is when you hold your hand right above the locomotive with signal problems, it temporarily regains signal. Why does this trick work? (I tried to be as descriptive as possible.) 

As a side note, I seem to have monopolized the question section of this thread. Sorry about that.

No worries.  I will ask question 6 to Dean when he is present. 

leapinlarry posted:

Good Morning MARTYE, Your Tennessee Connection, Leapin Larry and From Kentucky, Charles "Legacy Lionel Lentz", will be at your Legacy Users Group Meeting...We simply want to learn more about the Greatest Command System from Lionel. Also, we want to meet our friends that participate on this fine OGR FORUM...Thank You for this Invitation... (please give good directions once we are in the Orange Hall.....Cheers!

Map posted in first posts of this thread.

You need a map?

Thank You for the information and We look Forward to a Fun Time At York.  

leapinlarry posted:

Thank You for the information and We look Forward to a Fun Time At York.  

You're welcome.  See you there!

Question: Any plans for a Lionel LCS insulated rail detector device for detecting trains/cars to send info over LCS for use for CTC, signals or computer.

I wish I lived closer, Thanks for the group  MartyE... I look forward to the notes and video.....

An issue with the Legacy 360W PowerMaster was highlighted in another topic that I liked discussed.  Its not so much a problem with the PM360, but how I want to use it.

BACKGROUND: I currently use TPC400s on my layout.  The TPC can accept up to 400 watts input, and has one transformer input to accept this power and any transformer can be used.  Lionel PowerMasters can be used, but you must get an adapter plug or cut off the PoHo's plug to attach to the TPC.  You can use one PoHo for power, or a Y cable to attach two PoHos to that one input to get 360 watts.  I use one PoHo for most running, but need both PoHos when I bring out my long passenger train.

Lionel has not yet put the PM 360's manual on their web page, but discussions on the forum show the PM 360 has two input connector jacks designed just for the PowerHouse plug.  Lionel has a caution that states: "Always use two PowerHouse power supplies.  Never operate with only one PowerHouse."  So my specific questions are:

1.  What is the danger, or what will be damaged, if using only one PowerHouse connected to the 360W PowerMaster?

2.  Can a Y adapter, connecting one PowerHouse to the two connector jacks on the 360W PowerMaster, be used?  I assume the power input switch setting would be set at 270W.

Thanks.

ADDED:  Dave Olson gave an excellent answer to this in a different topic.  I'd post the link but don't know how to do it on my iPad.  The topic was Legacy PowerMaster 360 power supplies.

I can't imagine what possessed them to put that kind of restriction on the 360W PM, that seems really odd!

Hey Marty, I have a question for Lionel. When or if will we see the road specific dialog with the engines road name and number in the crew talk? I really miss that feature. 

Legacy MU Question:
I like to create a TRain with 2 engines  not coupled into the same train.  I do this so that I can maintain the same distance between both trains at all times!  The ability to assign the horn/whistle to both trains is fun, but when you create a train like this the base thinks the second engine is a slave to the first and turns off the headlight.  You can call up the second engine by its ENG ID and turn the headlight back on but when you toggle back to the TRain and give it a command the second engine's light goes back off.   Can you create a way for the base to recognize that this operation is in fact NOT an MU but rather 2 separate trains?  Maybe install a "space" on the CAB 2 in the build screen so that the base will recognize this as a different operation than an MU.  

Legacy Question:
Can you make the Aux 3 button operate the city horns on engines equipped with both horns and whistles like the GS-2, GS-4, AC-12.  I swear I recall on my old first generation Legacy GS-4 that there was a horn icon on the CAB2.  Maybe I am not remembering that properly.  Regardless pushing two buttons to operate the horn is a bit of nuisance.  

LCS Question
I use the LCS in conjunction with BPC2s and ASC2.  The system works great and I love the custom control panels....very handy!  I also use Legacy Powermasters to control my power districts.  Is there a "digital" toggle button in LCS so that I can control also the Powermasters with my iPad?  If there is one I have never found it.

Please consider making an STM that will communicate the position of points of switches controlled by DZ2500s to LCS!  I was bummed that the STM2 did not do that.

Please consider/develop more uses for the sensor tracks.  That product is underutilized at the moment.  How about breakdown units that have various time bomb features that trigger after the engine crosses over the sensor track x number of times?   Can the sensor track communicate with ASC2s? Can an engine crossing over the sensor track trigger an accessory to operate?  

Thank you for creating fun toys to play with!

T4TT posted:

Thank you for creating fun toys to play with!

Got it. 

Even more questions: (I have a more inquisitive mind than I thought)

1. There is another "trick" around the forum called the "cell phone trick." Using a mobile device with a camera aimed directly at the IR sensor on the locomotive so equipped, a "purple or red screen" indicates that the IR is working. Why does that work?

2. Why did Lionel move from Modular Legacy boards to the RCMC and what is the history that can be given about that?

Thanks Marty for all you do to support those of us that operate our trains with Legacy!

Last day for questions.  I'll be compiling and sending them to Lionel in the morning.

Thanks.  No more questions will be accepted.  Dean Brasseur (Customer Service) and Dave Olsen (Engineering) will be joining us so there will be opportunity to ask questions then.