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Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You're right John, I'd have no issue at all if they made it more realistic, as long as they don't make it R rated like the real talk probably is at times.

Real radio communications on the railroads is NOT "R rated". The FCC, FRA and RR managers CONSTANTLY monitor AND record radio communications. Thus "improper use/language" is dealt with. Big Brother is always listening!

Yes, Hot Water, a certain level of decorum is expected today. The real world is most frequently not as colorful and exciting as our imagings of it or media portrayals of would lead us to believe. Not only are goverment agencies monitoring these frequencies but so are railfans and any number of other citizens who are ready to "expose" wrong doings not only to the proper authorities but to the press and media as well. Private conservation in today's work place are beconing rarer with each technological leap we make.
Kenn
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You're right John, I'd have no issue at all if they made it more realistic, as long as they don't make it R rated like the real talk probably is at times.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

You're right John, I'd have no issue at all if they made it more realistic, as long as they don't make it R rated like the real talk probably is at times.

Hi, John.

 

On Conrail, we had specific rules and regulations governing the content and method of communication over the radio. Everything was very business-like and to the point. The last you thing you needed was for the Trainmaster to hear something he shouldn't. There were the occasional exchanges of pleasantries between towers and passing crews but even that was kept to a minimum. Otherwise it was all engine numbers, train symbols, loads, empties, etc.

 

Bob  

I agree - mostly. Certainly it's no big deal to take some paint or Neolube and do the sides of the wheels - but you kind of wonder why the buyer should have to do that on a $1,000++ locomotive. It would be more permanent if they did it at the factory. On the same note, 3rd Rail is still using plain axle ends in bronze bushings instead of pointed axles. I just spent two hours taking apart a tender and bending the trucks back into shape because somehow the bolsters were slightly (almost invisibly) bent out of shape and causing excess frictino at the journals. A pointed axle would have rolled just fine despite the torgued frame. For that matter, it wouldn't have mattered on a sprung or equalized truck, but on this particular model, the sideframes were bolted tight to the bolsters.
 
I agree that the very shiny rolling surfaces will pick up less crud and be easier to clean. As far as the realistic, shiny rolling surface goes, you get that on blackened wheels as they wear. 
 
It's no big deal one way or the other, but it seems strange on an engine that expensive and detailed that they don't bother to darken the sides of the wheels (actually some of them seem to have a darker coating on the sides, but it's still shiny, sort of like black chrome). 
 
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Excellent point. I've been wondering for a long time why 3rd Rail, and a lot of 2-rail builders, use plated wheels instead of blackened. This includes not only drivers, but the wheels on tenders and rolling stock. 

Actually the plated wheels would be preferable if you think about it.  The plated finish gives the actual wheel tread surface the shiny appearance they should have since they're always being "polished" as the wheels roll on the tracks.  You don't get that same prototypical look with regular metal wheels.

 

Also in my own experience, the plated wheels seem to accumulate less "gunk" from  the track than regular metal wheels.

 

A little paint (weathered or steel colored) on the wheel faces will take care of the rest of the exposed plating.

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
I agree - mostly. Certainly it's no big deal to take some paint or Neolube and do the sides of the wheels - but you kind of wonder why the buyer should have to do that on a $1,000++ locomotive. It would be more permanent if they did it at the factory. On the same note, 3rd Rail is still using plain axle ends in bronze bushings instead of pointed axles. I just spent two hours taking apart a tender and bending the trucks back into shape because somehow the bolsters were slightly (almost invisibly) bent out of shape and causing excess frictino at the journals. A pointed axle would have rolled just fine despite the torgued frame. For that matter, it wouldn't have mattered on a sprung or equalized truck, but on this particular model, the sideframes were bolted tight to the bolsters.
 
I agree that the very shiny rolling surfaces will pick up less crud and be easier to clean. As far as the realistic, shiny rolling surface goes, you get that on blackened wheels as they wear. 
 
It's no big deal one way or the other, but it seems strange on an engine that expensive and detailed that they don't bother to darken the sides of the wheels (actually some of them seem to have a darker coating on the sides, but it's still shiny, sort of like black chrome). 
 
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Excellent point. I've been wondering for a long time why 3rd Rail, and a lot of 2-rail builders, use plated wheels instead of blackened. This includes not only drivers, but the wheels on tenders and rolling stock. 

Actually the plated wheels would be preferable if you think about it.  The plated finish gives the actual wheel tread surface the shiny appearance they should have since they're always being "polished" as the wheels roll on the tracks.  You don't get that same prototypical look with regular metal wheels.

 

Also in my own experience, the plated wheels seem to accumulate less "gunk" from  the track than regular metal wheels.

 

A little paint (weathered or steel colored) on the wheel faces will take care of the rest of the exposed plating.

Then there's the shiny axle ends on the drivers...  They need a little dab o' paint, too.

 

Rusty

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:
I agree that the very shiny rolling surfaces will pick up less crud and be easier to clean. As far as the realistic, shiny rolling surface goes, you get that on blackened wheels as they wear.

I've never in my years in the hobby experienced, or come across any regular steel wheels that eventually "wear" to the point where they are shiny like you'd see in the prototype world.  I've seen some postwar trucks with wheelset treads that do look less "dull" compared to the rest of the wheel, but never bright and shiny like the real ones get.

It's not the whistle steam/smoke that bugs me ... it's that big hole in the boiler right in front of the whistle!

 

For that matter, why doesn't someone make a steaming generator? Those suckers are running all the time...very prominent in videos of real steamers.

 

The plated wheels bug me, but what bugs me more is the plated flanges on those wheels. Our flanges are way too big already--do you have to draw attention to them by making them so shiny?

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