Reading lots and lots of reading. UP's website, reading several books and online about steam locomotive design, reading this thread, arguments and all, reading about 4014 and her rebuild, reading about UK engine design and railroad history and building which I find details of far easier to find, paying close attention to each word in a sentence and what it means and rereading to clarify if necessary, keeping an open mind as possible when reading, a small video collection on articulated steam locomotives and others, more reading and memorization, pulling every detail out possible. I could site sources but i can't find them all anymore just to many.
Originally Posted by Allin:
Reading lots and lots of reading. UP's website, reading several books and online about steam locomotive design, reading this thread, arguments and all, reading about 4014 and her rebuild, reading about UK engine design and railroad history and building which I find details of far easier to find, paying close attention to each word in a sentence and what it means and rereading to clarify if necessary, keeping an open mind as possible when reading, a small video collection on articulated steam locomotives and others, more reading and memorization, pulling every detail out possible. I could site sources but i can't find them all anymore just to many.
Well, I must say that whatever you have been ready, it has sure either provide questionable information or has confused you a bit.
Why can't someone ask a simple question and not have the thread inundated by people that have an ax to grind and constantly attack, slander, libel and defame the reputation of the current steam manager?
Originally Posted by jmiller320:
Why can't someone ask a simple question and not have the thread inundated by people that have an ax to grind and constantly attack, slander, libel and defame the reputation of the current steam manager?
I don't think that truth is either "slander", "libel", nor "defame" when it comes to the reputation of the current manager.
HW, if UP lacks the in-house employees to do significant portions of the restoration work, does this condition allow UP to subcontract the work to third parties which it would not be able to do if qualified personnel were already employed by UP? This is primarily a question controlled by the union contract and whatever provisions it has regarding conditions under which UP can subcontract work.
Originally Posted by Pingman:
HW, if UP lacks the in-house employees to do significant portions of the restoration work, does this condition allow UP to subcontract the work to third parties which it would not be able to do if qualified personnel were already employed by UP? This is primarily a question controlled by the union contract and whatever provisions it has regarding conditions under which UP can subcontract work.
The UP has used contractors previously for extensive work in and around the Cheyenne stop/roundhouse. The complete firebox replacement was done by an outside contractor, between 2000 thru 2004, plus both auxiliary water tenders were completely rebuilt by an outside contractor.
HW, thanks for the reply.
Many of the contractors that did those jobs for the former crew are on Ed Dickens go to blame list. They would certainly entertain Union Pacific if they reached out to them. Don't know if Dickens would let that happen..
I highly doubt it.
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Pingman:
HW, if UP lacks the in-house employees to do significant portions of the restoration work, does this condition allow UP to subcontract the work to third parties which it would not be able to do if qualified personnel were already employed by UP? This is primarily a question controlled by the union contract and whatever provisions it has regarding conditions under which UP can subcontract work.
The UP has used contractors previously for extensive work in and around the Cheyenne stop/roundhouse. The complete firebox replacement was done by an outside contractor, between 2000 thru 2004, plus both auxiliary water tenders were completely rebuilt by an outside contractor.
I think maybe they should ask help from the folks in Spencer NC. They had no trouble getting 611 back in action. don't ask the folks that destroyed the PRR K4 where ever it is rusting away in pieces. The folks at spencer should take a look at all the cant fix it cases.
Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:
I think maybe they should ask help from the folks in Spencer NC. They had no trouble getting 611 back in action.
That assumes the current manager wants help. He's apparently alienated many in the preservation community already, so he may even have a problem soliciting help if it comes to that.
Rusty
Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Pingman:
HW, if UP lacks the in-house employees to do significant portions of the restoration work, does this condition allow UP to subcontract the work to third parties which it would not be able to do if qualified personnel were already employed by UP? This is primarily a question controlled by the union contract and whatever provisions it has regarding conditions under which UP can subcontract work.
The UP has used contractors previously for extensive work in and around the Cheyenne stop/roundhouse. The complete firebox replacement was done by an outside contractor, between 2000 thru 2004, plus both auxiliary water tenders were completely rebuilt by an outside contractor.
I think maybe they should ask help from the folks in Spencer NC. They had no trouble getting 611 back in action. don't ask the folks that destroyed the PRR K4 where ever it is rusting away in pieces. The folks at spencer should take a look at all the cant fix it cases.
Sorry but, your assumptions about the work on N&W 611 is incorrect. The N&W 611 was brought back to FRA compliance AT the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, but NOT by museum personnel. There really isn't any steam qualified workers at the Historic Spencer Shops any longer.
Also remember that the N&W 611 was in excellent condition when she was retired, and then when she was brought to Spencer. She wasn't suffering from the problems that plagued the UP 844 and PRR 1361.
Stuart
Also remember that the N&W 611 was in excellent condition when she was retired, and then when she was brought to Spencer. She wasn't suffering from the problems that plagued the UP 844
One should also remember that UP 844 was not "plagued" with problems until a couple of years after the change in steam program management and the beginning of the high turnover rate among UP steam crew personnel. Since then 3985 has not been operated and 844 has experienced problems not seen in other large excursion locomotives and things that are not deemed to be a problem on other locomotives are now grave concerns on 844 according to the current manager.
How many new stay bolt caps did N&W 611 receive before her return to service?
