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I'm going to try to make sense, but I don't know the exact nomenclature so bare with me. 

 

Situation: 4'x8' loop for concept testing prior to putting together larger layout, powered by an MTH ZController (back says 6 amp max, I do have dad's old ZW but it needs refurbishing before it gets hooked up), power to track is just one clipon, no sense running a bus & feeder set up on this little thing cause it's just going to be torn down.

 

Problem: I have a 45n gateman wired into an insulated track section, to make sure it gets lots of juice its the same track piece that the clipon is attached to (obviously clipped to the opposite outside rail as the 45n is wired to).  45n works fine when i run my Williams Girl's Train steam loco, cause she uses a fair amount of power to get around the tight O31 curves.  However, when I run my Williams GG1 or F3, they don't need as much power to get going so the 45n doesn't function properly, guess the gateman doesn't like those new fangled diesels and electrics.

 

Theory: I was reading on another thread that multiple transformers, even if not phased, can all be wired into the same Common bus.  The comment met with agreement.  So if I use the ZTransformer and wire it to track power, perhaps I could use my spare Type 4090 to wire into the common rail and the hot goes straight to the 45n.

 

Hypothesis: If I run a hot wire from 4090 straight to a post on the 45n, then a wire from the common post on 4090 to outside rail on track, I can run a wire from insulated rail to the 45n and create the open circuit.  Crank up the juice on the 4090 to appropriate for the 45n, should not affect the track power because the hot is going to the accessory and not the track.  When the train comes by, it bridges the COMMON, closes the circuit and 45n activates based off the power from the 4090 without interacting with track power or exploding or something like that.

 

Sure, I could wire it up and test it, seems logical.  But I'm no electrician, I don't want to start a fire. 

 

Thanks fellows.  I'm trying to do my due diligence and scour the threads for wiring information, but I have some questions to post regardless, forgive me if they are repeats. 

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Ok well the excitement got to me so i rigged it up and look at that, it works perfectly!  Fantastic, no fires and no explosions.  Hopefully there isn't anything I've missed. 

 

Follow up question, at the moment I'm wiring into the variable voltage posts on the 4090, with U going to the outside rail.  Would it be possible to wire the same way using the fixed voltage arrangement?  B and C provides 11 volts which is working well.  On the post about wiring multiple transformers all to the same common line, I think he mentioned doing it with the fixed voltage as long as the transformers are not wired in parallel.  This is where i really start getting confused, I'm used to using at least one post marked U.  Does it matter?  Since AC is apparently switching the current back and forth, is there even actually a "ground" vs "hot" or is that something we use to keep track of the wires?  

Originally Posted by Dale H:

Here is a post explaining using the common bus

 

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Dale H

Dale, I didn't even notice, but that is the exact link that i was referring to in my original post!! "I was reading on another thread that multiple transformers, even if not phased, can all be wired into the same Common bus."
 
Originally Posted by Dale H:

Its fine as long as the 2 transformers are not put in parallel,on purpose or by accident. I would still use a relay,as you would get arcing on wheels carrying the current,plus intermittent contact. 

 

Shown here

 

Dale H

Dale, I hate to sound silly, but can you explain the benefit of relays in layman's terms?  I'm understanding that it functions as an electrical on/off switch, but it seems like a different way to do the same thing I was already doing.  I don't understand what you mean by arcing, are you saying that there may be an arc from middle to outside rail, from insulated to non insulated section of track, or little lightning bolts running across the axles causing etching or something?  What exactly is the benefit of a relay, which there must obviously be.  I ask because I want to know WHY I'm doing something, help increase my knowledge base.

 

Originally Posted by Dale H:
On my layout I use one common bus for everything made with 6 # 12 gauge Romex house wires for 120 amp capacity. 

 

Dale H

I was looking for this online, I saw 12/2 Romex by Southwire, is that the stuff you mean?  I'm not catching what you mean by "6".  Now, the Romex has three wires in it, are you using the 3 wires separately starting from 3 different transformers, or are they all beginning from the same post?  I guess this is a style question. 

Originally Posted by ADCX Rob:

Also, the common post on the 4090 is "A", not U.

Rob, I've read a lot of your posts and I'm honored to see your input.  Since I have almost no electrical knowledge, you just turned my world upside down.  I assumed that U would be the common post for all transformers, why on earth would they change that?  So I'm guessing that if I'm tying a 4090 into a common bus i have to use the A post, and the U post goes to the hot bus?  Man, it seems so wrong, why would Lionel do this to me?

Ok, while doing some embarrassingly basic research on relays, I found this line interesting: "Relays are used where it is necessary to control a circuit by a low-power signal (with complete electrical isolation between control and controlled circuits)"

So I take this to mean that the answer to my question, why use relays, is that I can wire in a higher voltage circuit for the accessory through the relay, and use a low voltage signal from the track to trigger the relay, without worry of the accessory voltage interacting with the track.  In exaggerated terms, I could have 14vac going to the Gateman, and the relay would trip with only 5vac (an exaggeration I'm sure, but just to make a point), and I wouldn't have to worry about the 14v for the Gateman somehow jumping to the 5v on the track, which I think is what Dale is referring to with regards to arcing. 

Does this sound correct?  Thanks all!!

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