Workaround for life without the Legacy Orange Module

Manual entry through Cab2 or using the sensor track is also a simple alternative. 

Nice write up. I don't think the LSU software gets enough attention. It really does a nice job. Once you have the LCS WiFi module you can connect to it via a PC with Wifi. 

Can someone describe how to perform the manual entry step by step?  It would be very helpful.

I also received the Hustle Muscle and as it is the first time I have ever received a Legacy engine without an orange module I have no idea what to do. 

Thanks,

Ben 

Done by Marty long ago.

Although it was made to show how to add  TMCC into Legacy the basic info is there.

I still use it .....saved to file.

Nice info Dave B and nice to have!

https://youtu.be/VNeu9E7nshA

Once you assign the engine ID as you would with the orange module do the following...

ENG #assigned

Info

Display "Assign Name" Push button under name and assign a name using red knob and menu buttons...next

Assign road number.  Push in number on side of engine.  Push the set button under the display.

Display reads assign name again.  Use red knob to scroll until diesel comes up...Use red knob until the correct engine type is displayed and push button under it.  ...Once an engine type is high lighted use red knob to Control type.  Push LEG for Legacy engine and it high lights.  Turn red knob to sound type...typically if you chose Legacy control, Legacy sound is assigned automatically.  Push info your done.

Its pretty self explanatory and also in the manual.

Well done team. I went the link to this thread to a friend. 

I'm curious how you simply the extra lighting options that appear on the AUX2 secondary menu from the CAB2 remote.  The only way I know to enter them is through the LSU directly into the command base database.

Those of us that don't run Windows are still left out.

sinclair posted:

Those of us that don't run Windows are still left out.

The Legacy System Utility (LSU) runs ONLY on Windows.

Cheers!

Keith

sinclair posted:

Those of us that don't run Windows are still left out.

Well, yes and no.  There are numerous virtual operating environments that run on Apple computers to allow you to run Windows applications.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

sinclair posted:

Those of us that don't run Windows are still left out.

Well, yes and no.  There are numerous virtual operating environments that run on Apple computers to allow you to run Windows applications.

Of course, that's the case. The point is that if you have Windows, you can run the Legacy System Utility; and if you do not have Windows, or at least the capability of running a Windows application, you cannot run LSU.

Well, true, if you don't have a standard desktop or laptop computer, it's going to be hard to run the Lionel LSU, no arguing that point.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'm curious how you simply the extra lighting options that appear on the AUX2 secondary menu from the CAB2 remote.  The only way I know to enter them is through the LSU directly into the command base database.

I'm not following you.

The orange module configures the extra features on the AUX2 secondary menu, how do you enter those from the remote?

As far as I know the AUX2 menu items are all the same and are actually part of a past system upgrade that is present when you select Legacy control.  I'd have to triple check but I am 99% sure when Legacy control is selected those options are there.

When I get home later I'll give it a try as well as a quick Video entering the information manually.

Here's a no thrills tutorial on manual entry.  I think I've covered it all.  The AUX 2 lighting menu is Diesel or Steam dependent.  Works for all diesel and steam types and provides the correct menu.

We are assuming a Steam engine, road number 2525, assigned to ID22.

Marty,  thanks for your positive comments and support. It means a lot!  Change is always hard and the absence of the orange modules really opened up several other avenues to explore and actually improved my overall experience using Legacy.  

Dave

I try to stay positive and just present information but unfortunately sometimes it can be easy to get caught up in the drama at times.  Folks like you that offer good solid information for the rest of us to comment on helps keep this forum great.

While the orange module is a nice, quick way to load up, you've presented an great alternative to getting things up and running.  I personally love the sensor track but realize some people rightfully don't want to modify their layout to incorporate one into it.

Take care!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

sinclair posted:

Those of us that don't run Windows are still left out.

Well, yes and no.  There are numerous virtual operating environments that run on Apple computers to allow you to run Windows applications.

Does the LSU run in WINE?  Any other emulator will require me to buy Windows.  And last I checked, the cheaper versions of Windows don't play nice in a VM. (There is much more to the PC world than Windows and MacOS.).

No offense, but it's difficult to expect Lionel to program for such a small audience.

I just want my module back 

Surefire posted:

I just want my module back 

Unfortunately I doubt you will get your wish.  There are just too many ways to enter the info without Lionel needing to produce them.  Early on all you had was manual entry via CAB2.  Now we have Sensor Tracks and LSU in addition to manual entry.  I get that all of these are not options but at minimum the manual entry works fine and is easy to do.

Yep it was a super easy way of loading info but when it comes down to it for the most part of a "one and done" procedure.  

I wanted to keep getting the orange modules with new engines but the writing is/was on the wall.

I went ahead and bought the Sensor Track and necessary hardware to go with it.

Not just to enter info to the Cab 2 but to explore LCS.

Change...........we cannot avoid it.

If you view the video supplied in this thread by Marty, it will remove a lot of the mystery and you'll see how easy it is to manually enter.

Dave

Surefire posted:

I just want my module back 

Exactly my sentiments.  Keep the module. We see this scenario play out repeatedly with each cheapening of product: the acquiescent volunteers finding "workarounds"; orange and blue apologists in denial; and all the happy go lucky Pollyannas who take umbrage at others' justifiable negativity.

Hit the problem head-on! Give Lionel some backlash for their unbridled attempt to cut corners yet again.

GregR posted:

Exactly my sentiments.  Keep the module. We see this scenario play out repeatedly with each cheapening of product: the acquiescent volunteers finding "workarounds"; orange and blue apologists in denial; and all the happy go lucky Pollyannas who take umbrage at others' justifiable negativity.

Hit the problem head-on! Give Lionel some backlash for their unbridled attempt to cut corners yet again.

None of these are "work arounds".  They are all doing the same function as an orange module.  It's just another way of doing the same thing.  Why the name calling?  Lionel chose to do away with the module not anyone in thread. Not everyone likes it, I get it, but not everyone is all that upset either.  Things change and some of us present other ways to do the same thing as the module and we get called "orange and blue apologists in denial; and all the happy go lucky Pollyannas".

Again nobody in this thread made that change but most of us are willing to help folks get the information needed.

GregR posted:

Surefire posted:

I just want my module back 

Exactly my sentiments.  Keep the module. We see this scenario play out repeatedly with each cheapening of product: the acquiescent volunteers finding "workarounds"; orange and blue apologists in denial; and all the happy go lucky Pollyannas who take umbrage at others' justifiable negativity.

Hit the problem head-on! Give Lionel some backlash for their unbridled attempt to cut corners yet again.

Ouch !!!    Your comments and disappointment should also be sent to Lionel.  The ordinary folks here, who are contributing assistance with ideas on how to move on without the modules, are only trying to be helpful. 

Dave

I hope you guys get the modules back.  I'd hate for the lack of it to ruin your enjoyment of Legacy engines.  Hard to believe such a trivial portion of the Legacy, and please don't take that wrong, can sway a person from enjoying Legacy and what it has to offer. 

I explained a very simple and non-computer way of entering the information, the same as if entering a TMCC engine, for the CAB2. I didn't think it was overly complicated but we all have different tolerance levels for technology. 

I would agree to contact Lionel and politely ask to keep the module.  I think you'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar. 

I don't mean to personally attack any forum members with their well intentioned work-arounds. My only critique is really for those who fail to assert themselves when they don't like something. 

Clearly, Lionel, like other importers, are now realizing that Chinese labor is not the panacea it was once considered to be. With increasing labor costs, they are constantly chiseling away at quality to maintain or increase profits. So, no, I don't blame forum members for that. Only for the failure speak out at times. 

How many people really believe we would have airline baggage fees today, if everyone bucked at the first airline that attempted that expirement in 2008? Quiet consumers always lose. 

Again don't take this the wrong way but maybe there are not that many folks that feel it's a big issue and that's why they are not contacting Lionel.  Again I guess if it's an issue then by all means encouraging them to get a hold of them is the way to go.

In the Legacy manual on page 55 there are step by step instructions on how to load the information

that is usually contained in the orange module. Could not be easier if you can read.

MartyE posted:

Once you assign the engine ID as you would with the orange module do the following...

ENG #assigned

Info

Display "Assign Name" Push button under name and assign a name using red knob and menu buttons...next

Assign road number.  Push in number on side of engine.  Push the set button under the display.

Display reads assign name again.  Use red knob to scroll until diesel comes up...Use red knob until the correct engine type is displayed and push button under it.  ...Once an engine type is high lighted use red knob to Control type.  Push LEG for Legacy engine and it high lights.  Turn red knob to sound type...typically if you chose Legacy control, Legacy sound is assigned automatically.  Push info your done.

Its pretty self explanatory and also in the manual.

 

 

 

Thank you Marty!  I know that the information is probably easy to find, but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful to have friends here to help make it idiot proof.  Lately I have been pulled in about a million directions so anything out of the norm is harder for me than it really should be.  It sure is appreciated to have the help.

Ben 

No problem.

I always try to give the info and reference the manual as well.

Ok, MARTYE, Thank You for seemingly staying cool and confident while some of us older TMCC/Legacy Lovers go through a little anxiety over the disappearance of the Orange module....Your short video above is super nice and answers the issue really thouroghly. Thank You.   In reality, this to will become easier each time we use it.  Also, it will cause me to write each up engine that I have in a notebook with the correct ID # and name. Then, when we get one off the shelf, we can look up the ID assigned a long time ago, and be happpy. 

Thank you for your hard work and continued TMCC/Legacy support...

We're all here to help each other.  I realize it gets frustrating.

Thanks for the kind words.  A lot of folks involved helps everyone learn.

Surefire posted:

I just want my module back 

want your voice heard?

contact the top

Howard Hitchcock

hhitchcock@lionel.com

I am just getting into O gauge rr and thought i had come to fully understand down loading the  the orange module..lol..I am using Atlas track and don't want to integrate a Lionel sensor track into the layout.  Could I build a test track using the Lionel sensor track with the cable run to my cab controller and be able to accomplish the downloading of info???? 

You can have a separate track, and you can also quite seamlessly blend the sensor track into Atlas track.  Here's the job, the ballast was just tossed down to see the effect, it will be done more permanently.  It's actually quite easy to slip it into the Atlas layout.  It happens that it's the exact height of the cork roadbed and Atlas plastic ties, so just taking the Fastrack rails off and knocking off the little plastic nubs, the roadbed slips right under the track.  Obviously, the Atlas ties were removed as well.

thanks for the info