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Over in the layout section I posted a question on plans for a carpet layout for my son - 

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My question is if there is anything inherently wrong with powering this 4'x10' figure 8 with 2 command switches using a single 6-22983 Powerhouse 180?   I realize it's not actually necessary, but I have plans to add additional track for him and already have two of these 180 PHs that I'm not using.  Besides a ERR TMCC upgraded 1950's NW2 the train will also have an MTH operating signalman car, an MTH operating reefer and the aforementioned 2 command switches along with an original CAB1 base right off the bat.  With additional track may also come some new accessories that can be powered by track power in the future.  

Given there will be a lot of power there and just for general safety of the electronics, should I have anything else in the way of circuit protection besides the Powerhouse?  I don't want to add the TMCC direct lockon because I understand it kills the DCS signal.  I have a DCS2 engine I also intend to give my son once we get a TIU.  So if I'm going to add additional circuit protection I want it to be "DCS friendly."

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How are you going to connect the PH180 to the track?  Cut the plug off or buy the adapter?  Just curious.

I agree that you should not use the TMCC Direct Lock-on if you plan on adding DCS.

I have never heard of any safety issues with the PH180.  It has a very fast 10 amp CB and several on the forum believe no additional circuit breaker protecting is required.  Some add a 5 or 7 amp fast blow fuse because they prefer the lower amperage protection.

For additional protection of the engines, many are now adding a transient-voltage-suppression (TVS) diode or thyrector.  The size normally recommended is 1.5KE36Ca.  Since you are only using the PH180 and not another transformer that can put out more than 18 volts, you could also us a 1.5KE33Ca.

 

The PH180's have just about the best circuit breakers of any transformer right out of the box, and they are practically as good as any other option at any price.  Good enough that you don't have to worry about adding any "better" circuit breaker. 

That said, there are two things to consider.  First you will want to use the TVS diodes on your layout.  These prevent spikes of high voltage from damaging the electronics in your engines.  The easiest method of using these is to add one at each point where you have feeder wires attached to the track.  

The second thing is making sure your track wiring is good enough to use with a 10 amp circuit, as supplied by the PH180.  You'll want to use AT LEAST 16 gauge wire, and even that is skimping a little more than you should, but the breakers in the PH180 should go off before you do much harm.  14 gauge or thicker is probably recommended if you are following the "star wiring" scheme for DCS, as only one wire is supplying all the power to a given block in that method, whereas in standard wiring the track receives power from more than one point, splitting the load between multiple wires.   

If you only have smaller wire at the moment, and don't want to replace it with 16-14 gauge, you'll want to place a circuit breaker in line after the transformer to limit the current to 5 amps or so, so as to eliminate the possibility of damaging the wire with a short.  

Fuses are not usually a good investment for track protection, as the costs add up quickly if they blow every time something derails.  Circuit breakers are usually a better investment in the long run.  Fuses are more practical in cases where the fuse is used as circuit protection of last resort, in a case where it is not likely to ever blow, but is nice to have the added safety in case of an uncommon short.  I don't see any need for a fuse in the set-up you have described, however.  

As long as your wiring can safely handle the full 10 amp current that the PH180 can provide, you should be good to go.  Plus TVS's to protect your electronics.  Worth noting that some folks recommend that the TVS built into the DCS TIU is adequate protection, or that it is a good idea to use the TIU for this protection.  While it will offer more protection than having nothing, the TVS in the TIU is there to protect the TIU, not your trains.  These devices work best as close to the electronics they are intended to protect as possible.  a spike of high voltage electricity will take the path of least resistance, so if it is easier to go through your locomotive that all the way back through the wiring to the TIU, than through the engine it will go.  The optimal location for TVS diodes is to be installed inside each engine you want to protect, however this is a bit complex for a lot of folks, so placing them at each feeder makes the most sense as far as ease of installation verses amount of protection for most users.  

JGL

Last edited by JohnGaltLine

I completely concur with John.  Powerhouse 180 is about as good as you can get running DCS.  I recently replaced a postwar ZW with a Powerhouse that I had bought, and then didn't use, for a layout I've built for some grandchildren.  All that John describes is not required because of the powerhouse, but just for general overall protection.

Thanks for the responses.  I had room for an 8'x8' layout in the basement when I was growing up.  And I could leave it up (or "down" as the 4x8 sheets making up the layout were on the concrete floor) without bothering anything.  We don't have a space like that so he has to make do with a 4'x10' bedroom floor space for now.  And he won't be able to leave it out all the time either.  If his interest continues to grow then we may look at something folding.  But he puts his wooden trains up as it is now.  And with a CAB1 and command/remote track powered switches there isn't much more to it than laying out the track.  I have a 1950's coal loader (red conveyor belt) but with beige carpeting, I'm betting my wife would just KILL me if I showed him that.  When we cleaned out my parent's basement a few years ago I still found chunks of that coal down there decades later.  I can only imagine on light colored carpet!

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