3/4 views -- small tin

well, it is a photoalbum subforum, so here are some more Hummers...

this one is interesting.  obviously an early car, but EXPRESS?
the express cars did not come out until much later.

like these...

and even later on, these...

 some of my other favorite Hummers...

 
CNR Continental Limited coach, produced for the Canadian market.

NWL pieces are highly sought after.

cheers...gary

these 3/4 views are much better.

Bob C.

I agree.  3/4 views give so much more detail.  

the rest of the Ives passenger train...

and the 1930-32 Winner Lines Version...

Hoge/ Tom Thumb passenger train is a close size match, though i've never seen a baggage car...

cheers...gary

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Those are nifty little cars. But if they was mine I would put smaller wheels on them to suit my Lilliputians.  

Ace posted:

Those are nifty little cars. But if they was mine I would put smaller wheels on them to suit my Lilliputians.  

here is a small part of a series i once did (with horrible lighting) to compare various manufacturers...

showing everything as compared to the common Joy Line coach, gives you a good idea of the compatibility.  going to run through all these again soon with better resolution. 

original wheels on most of these cars are quite large, so be aware when you are buying one.  i've seen many where later, smaller Marx wheels were installed.

cheers...gary

about the same time American Flyer was making Hummer and Express sets,
Hafner was making their own inexpensive Overland Flyer line ( 1916- 1929).

in the Greenberg Volume, Paul Doyle lists seven color variations...

above are the seven listd, (A) - (G).  i'll add an (H), or at least an (A')...

(H) same as (A) with black vs. red trim.

there were two 'other' roadname versions.
with the same colors as my oddball (H) Overland Flyer coach, the Canadian Flyer.

still searching for the other rare version, the New York Flyer,
apparently with the same colors as the Canadian Flyer.

appreciate the comments, and thank you for not replying with a copy of the pictures.
i hope to continue adding to this album and copies would just make it unruly.

please feel free to contribute on topic, "small tin", though.
cheers...gary

This is one of my few "small tin" items, originally a #1690 Lionel-Ives coach. It was given to me as a dented body with a terrible repaint and no wheels. I stripped-patched-painted-motorized it (with battery power) to make a transit car.

(Yes, some day it needs lettering and stripes for enhancement!)

nice trolley-bash...  could use some lettering?

the Hummer line was strictly passenger service, but i agree with Schuweiler that Flyer did make some "Hummer-like" freight cars.  around 1932 the first types appeared in clockwork and Champion sets...

the (534) Automobile Boxcar, ...

and the (535) Stock Car, ...

...with a different color door.

and the (536) Caboose w/ cupola.
the early models had riveted tab/ slot couplers.

 the later versions switched to a less expensive body mounted coupler design...

the Automobile Boxcar also lost its doors.

i've never seen a late version of the Stock Car, but a Sand Car was added in 1935.

and the body coupler caboose design lost its cupola.

this was also just about the time Marx entered the toy train market.
The Joy Line freight cars were some of their earliest and certainly fits the small tin bill,
the tongue-in-cheek names certainly adding to the "joy"...

fun stuff!
cheers...gary

to reinforce a point i made earlier, here is a comparison of early to later Marx tinplate wheels...

for this photo, i replaced the correct Joy Line wheels on the dump car on the left with standard post-1935 Marx wheels.  on the car it's not as easy to spot the difference especially if you do not see it in comparison.  early Joy Line wheels (shown) should be ~1 1/8" at the flange.  later Joy Line cars (black frames) had even slightly larger wheels at ~1 5/32" (1.14" - 1.15").

when Marx standardized on their square frame, wheel size when down to ~15/16" (~0.93") and stayed at that size through the four decades until the end of Marx production making them much more available to substitute for a missing wheel.  operationally with at least that much play in the ultra-thin Joy Line couplers, wheel size isn't a real problem.  collection-wise, however, it's nice to know you have an all original equipment car.

cheers...gary