3 NYSW engines being scrapped!

hello guys and gals.............

that is a very sad sight to see it torn up like that !!!!!!!!!

I am glad they didn't do that to the S.F.5011

the woman who loves the S.F.5011,2678,2003,200

Tiffany

I think there's a group out west, somehow connected to Doyle McCormack, who were trying to save this F45. I read about them on line about six months ago, but even then they didn't seem to have a very good plan in place.

Where did we get this idea that anything worthy of being "saved" had to be operable, or in some kind of pristine shape?????  "You can't save everything was the excuse used to reduce Espee 4450 to scrap for hamburger and French fry money.  The primary reason we don't have a Central Hudson today is because everyone assumed that somebody else would step up to the plate, and fork over Big Al Perlman's asking price of six grand !  A little communication and cooperation can go a long way !

  What ever happened to the three GP18s the Susquehanna purchased new in the early 1960s?   

Let's stop blaming the folks in the past, shall we?  It's not going to change anything.  You keep forgetting the railroad preservation movement wasn't as organized nor was communication as instant in olden days as it is today.  Plus, six grand was a lot of money back then.

As for today, it is still the title holder's decision as to whether a locomotive is to be saved or not. 

If there is an organization or individual interested in saving a particular locomotive, it is their responsibility to present a convincing case and plan of action to the title holder.

Rusty

The point is that even today we wind up losing valuable, historical pieces....the past may be the past...but if you learn nothing from it, expect to make the same avoidable errors today !   Want some proof? Just cruise over to the UP 844 threads around here !

Of interest to those concerned about the preservation of a former BN F45:

http://dynarail.org/projects/bn6644.html

Bob

Originally Posted by jaygee:

The UP soap opera is in a class by itself, but just verifies something I apply to many expierences in life, not just locomotive preservation. 

And it goes both ways:  "All it takes is a change in management."

Rusty

There is another site that mentions 3636 being scrapped.  I have a photo of her from 1989 as she is approaching FA tower in Oneonta, NY on the D&H heading towards Albany, NY. 

....And just exactly what would it have cost to fix up those old EMDs?   A lot less than the alternative !   You all know the axiom:  EMD...buy it once, cry once.  GE...buy it cheap, cry forever !  Unless the chooch truly is a wreck 4, your old EMD will always be worth fixing, if nobody wants your old one today...they will tomorrow !  

If that were true, there'd still be FT's running around.

Rusty

You truly have no clue, do you?

I'm not sure what FT parts could still be had, without scratching them....The configuration makes the FT "over the hill" a lot more than the basic engineering.  Had the second generation not appeared when it did, FTs would have continued merrily along for who knows how long.  They were still viable in as mainline power in 1960, so why not 1970?   As for the EMD / GE thing...we'll see how many EVOs are still around when the last SD40-2 buys the farm !    Can you dig it?...I knew you could !

I was a heck of a lot sadder seeing CB&Q, GTW and NKP steam locomotives being cut up at Northwestern Steel & Wire, Sterling, IL, in the early '60's!

I grew up in the Pittsburgh PA area.  I remember as a child when my parents drove over the Highland Park bridge from Sharpsburgh side, I could look down at a scrapping yard and see endless lines of steamers awaiting the torch.  Of course it didn't make an impression on me or its significance at the time 

Sharpsburg was the end for a bunch of PRR, and other steamers...all fifty two PRR T1s died there....along with some of the P-Nellie Berks. While PRR had an excellent record of saving many of their older steamers, that record didn't include the more modern classes, or stuff from from Lines West !  lessons learned???  Maybe...maybe not.

Is there a push to preserve an F45?  I am aware of some FP45s in various states of preservation, but it might be a good idea to set aside a straight F45, even if it's just a shell with no innards.  

There's one HERE.  It's innards are a little different than when it left EMD.  You can have a sleepover in it...

Rusty

Don't care about it being scrapped but love the engine shots. Are those cylinder heads? Is it an in line 10 or v10? Excuse the ignorance, never seen a train diesel engine.

No, you can't see any of the cylinder heads, as they are down below those top deck covers. The engines in EMD "GP" and "SD" 7, 9, 20, 24, 30,35, 38, series 40 units, are all "V" 16 cylinder. The SD45 series units had "V" 20 cylinder engines.

I am aware of the lodge conversion in Montana, and definitely wouldn't mind staying there!  But is there interest in preserving another one?

This is the guy who bought an F40 from Amtrak a few years ago.

http://www.dynarail.org/

https://www.indiegogo.com/proj...n-emd-f45-locomotive

Now that they've "saved" it, it doesn't look like they know what to do with it. One of these guys bought an F40 from Amtrak a few years back.

Hmmmmm...... The more I reread this, maybe they didn't save it? The fund raising ended in May, and it looks like they only raised 5% of what they needed. I'm not sure.

Yes. Look at my post about 10 posts above this one and you'll see a link to site talking about the preservation of an F45.

Bob