I'd certainly be in for 2 or 3 PRR H series 2-8-0 with the appropriate tender for lines east.
Originally posted by PRRJIM:
I am probably in a minority, but my preference for steam would be a Pennsylvania RR K2 Pacific (4-6-2).
Many, many models of the PRR K4 have been done, and I think also the K5. The K2 was a slight bit older and had a
smaller boiler. It is a sleeker looking loco than the K4. I think it would be fun to add to my PRR fleet.
Posted by Keystone ed:
FYI - the Pennsy K5 has never been commercially done in O scale. Scott did propose importing one a couple of years
ago but it didn't draw enough support.
That's correct Keystone ed and that's because of timing. Both Lionel and MTH were marketing their latest PRR K4's and the last thing the market wanted was another HO HUM
PRR Pacific.
However right now is a good time for a unique PRR USRA 2-10-2 or a PRR pacific like the K5 or K2 or K3 even the J28 Prarie. This market in O gauge is ripe for something new and different!
PRR K2 Pacific
PRR K29 pacific
PRR K5 Pacific
OR the USRA 2-10-2!
Somebody, MTH?, did a short, obscure run of the C&O Pacifics (I am not a fan of that or another popular passenger wheel arrangement, both of which I avoid) but my checkbook would come far enough east for a totally out of theme K series C&O Mikado...flying pumps, brow-mounted Elesco, and coal-fired Vanderbilt...just what should show up as the illustration under "steam locomotive" in the Encyclopedia Whosis. What roads ran that USRA 2-10-2 pictured above?
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Originally posted by PRRJIM:
I am probably in a minority, but my preference for steam would be a Pennsylvania RR K2 Pacific (4-6-2).
Many, many models of the PRR K4 have been done, and I think also the K5. The K2 was a slight bit older and had a
smaller boiler. It is a sleeker looking loco than the K4. I think it would be fun to add to my PRR fleet.
Posted by Keystone ed:
FYI - the Pennsy K5 has never been commercially done in O scale. Scott did propose importing one a couple of years
ago but it didn't draw enough support.That's correct Keystone ed and that's because of timing. Both Lionel and MTH were marketing their latest PRR K4's and the last thing the market wanted was another HO HUM
However right now is a good time for a unique PRR USRA 2-10-2 or a PRR pacific like the K5 or K2 or K3 even the J28 Prarie. This market in O gauge is ripe for something new and different!
PRR K2 Pacific
PRR K29 pacific
PRR K5 Pacific
OR the USRA 2-10-2!
You are correct there Horshoecurve, the market is ripe for something new!!
What we need is the C&O K2/K3, C&O non stream lined Hudson, which by the way was the largest Hudson ever built, and last but not least, the NYC H10 another "Super Makido".....................
colorado hirailer posted:Somebody, MTH?, did a short, obscure run of the C&O Pacifics (I am not a fan of that or another popular passenger wheel arrangement, both of which I avoid) but my checkbook would come far enough east for a totally out of theme K series C&O Mikado...flying pumps, brow-mounted Elesco, and coal-fired Vanderbilt...just what should show up as the illustration under "steam locomotive" in the Encyclopedia Whosis. What roads ran that USRA 2-10-2 pictured above?
Lionel did that one, C&O Pacific w/Flying front pumps!...........TMCC/5.o sound..........Nice engine.
Saw those engines in the late 40's early 50's at the Water Street Yard Louisville. One had the Vandy Tender, and another F18 had the big rectangle tender!
I just happened to see some pics of the Lionel version of the C&O F-19 on the "Weekend Picture" post, page 1 scroll down to BigTruckEd, as he has 2 different shots of this engine!
I have only seem one of the model C&O Pacifics, and that was in an auction some years ago. I searched for one but did not want a Pacific so not very hard. I gather the Lionel C&O Pacifics are not common.
colorado hirailer posted:I have only seem one of the model C&O Pacifics, and that was in an auction some years ago. I searched for one but did not want a Pacific so not very hard. I gather the Lionel C&O Pacifics are not common.
They ran those engines 2010/2011, and did 2 versions one was lettered for the "George Washington", and the other just had Chesapeake and Ohio on the Tender. I think this was a one time production, can't remember if it was a" JLC" model or not.
I do remember the 1st time I saw it, I thought of seeing it around Louisville back in the 50's.
There was one on the bay about 6 months ago, and it went off for $800.00+ dollars
I'll echo the desire for a cgw 2 10 4
Scott,
I'm in for a T&P #610 in American Freedom Train colors. While filling in the "dream sheet", I'd also be in for a NYC(system or lines) K5 Pacific with an Elesco feedwater heater.(My P&LE favoritism is showing!)
Nick
Scott just put the D&RG silver aspen PA/PB units on the web sight! Count me in! ��
David
Scott - I'll be reaching out to you and Jonathon Peiffer this week. I got some great news from the Southern Railway Historical Society this last week!
Also would you consider doing another run of the Powhatan Arrow add on cars? There have been several posts to date on the forum of folks asking about the add on cars.
I just wanted to know when the DM&IR SD9 will arrive in the USA.
If the one Soo Line SD9 repainted in the 1960's scheme is ever made. I would get that one.
Andrew
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Originally posted by PRRJIM:
I am probably in a minority, but my preference for steam would be a Pennsylvania RR K2 Pacific (4-6-2).
Many, many models of the PRR K4 have been done, and I think also the K5. The K2 was a slight bit older and had a
smaller boiler. It is a sleeker looking loco than the K4. I think it would be fun to add to my PRR fleet.
Posted by Keystone ed:
FYI - the Pennsy K5 has never been commercially done in O scale. Scott did propose importing one a couple of years
ago but it didn't draw enough support.That's correct Keystone ed and that's because of timing. Both Lionel and MTH were marketing their latest PRR K4's and the last thing the market wanted was another HO HUM
However right now is a good time for a unique PRR USRA 2-10-2 or a PRR pacific like the K5 or K2 or K3 even the J28 Prarie. This market in O gauge is ripe for something new and different!
PRR K2 Pacific
PRR K29 pacific
PRR K5 Pacific
OR the USRA 2-10-2!
I'm in for the USRA 2-10-2!
Due to the downturn in passenger traffic and reliability issues with the Alco's in 1954 the PRR re-geared their ten Alco PA's from 60:23 100 mph gearing to 64:19 85.5 mph gearing, making them suitable for freight and secondary passenger service. Two of the PA's were repainted in the DGLE freight scheme while most ended their service in the 5 stripe Tuscan red scheme. I suspect the photo of the DGLE PA's on the point of a passenger train posted above was taken on the P-RSL - as that pair of PA's (5757, 5758) for awhile were assigned to the Philadelphia area. For several years the PB's were not re-geared and served in first line passenger service MU's with EMD E units (the PRR didn't order E8 B units). Photos show single unit Tuscan red PA's serving as helpers on the Elmira Branch. For more info on PRR's PA's see Pennsylvania Railroad Diesel Locomotive Pictorial - Volume Seven - EMD E Units and Alco PA's by Paul Withers.
Thanks for the info,Ed. I'll check it out.
Norm
Speaking of PRR K5's . Here are several pictures of a K5 5698 Frank Miller custom built for me around 2002. At the same time Frank built a model of K5 5699 for a close friend, and together we researched the prototypes and acquired prints of PRR K5 drawings in the PA State Library in Harrisburg. Over their service lives the K5's (there were only 2 built) changed in appearance several times. In the late 1930's 5698 had her smokebox extended to minimize ash buildup. I decided to model the locomotive based on a fall 1947 photo - just before the headlight generator position swap spoiled her good looks. The model was built on a modified PSC K4 chassis (the PSC boiler was re-used on a USH PRR L1 chassis). The tender is a 130P75 that came with the PSC K4 upgraded with unique tender trucks found only on K5's. Frank made the patterns using PRR drawings published in the PRRT&HS's The Keystone and had them cast by Dennis Mashburn. Frank's model (my contribution was research & painting) won first place in the locomotive category at a PRRT&HS meet. Note in the 4th photo the difference in boiler diameter between a K4s on the left and the K5 on the right.
The K5 is a special locomotive for me as the Christmas after dad returned from WWII he gave me my first train set - an American Flyer O gauge set headed by a 3/16 scale model of 5698. The last photo shows the difference in size between the 1/4" scale K5, and the AF 3/16" scale 3 rail version. At 3 years old I didn't know the difference 
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John23 posted:OR the USRA 2-10-2!
I'm in for the USRA 2-10-2!
Heavy or Light??? Seaboard had some light 2-10-2s but I think they rode hard and wore out the rail faster than other engines.
Note to Scott: the 3rd Rail reservation sheet for the Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 at the website lists "grey boiler in service" as an option. Should probably read "light green", as the paint employed on the T&P was Charles R. Long Co. No 162, "Light Russia" (which would be a light green). All of the models I have seen on the web display light green.
Above info gleaned from Charles M. Mizell's "T is for Texas, Texas & Pacific and TWO-TEN-FOUR". This article is an excellent brief on the locomotives and includes some great anecdotes; it appeared in the February 1978 issue of Trains.
Hey Ed -- that is one sharp-looking engine there! I like all the pipping on the boiler. I'd get behind a 3rd Rail K5.
Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
Hot Water posted:Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
Sunset steam power production schedule in order:
T&P 2-10-4
C&O H-6
PRR H10
PRR K5
PRR G5
PRR I1
PRR K2
PRR anything else steam
Good grief!!!!
rheil posted:Hot Water posted:Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
Sunset steam power production schedule in order:
T&P 2-10-4
C&O H-6
PRR H10
PRR K5
PRR G5
PRR I1
PRR K2
PRR anything else steam
I've certainly said (along with a few others) that I'd like a PRR H series Consol with Lines East features since this has not been done with 21st century Sunset quality. I'm also a realist that sees that there are still some L1s still in stock and that the O1 electric did not seem to sell well (yet G's did fine!). Only you know whether we bought enough PRR so far to make it worthwhile to offer another PRR project.
Yeah, a real G5 would be nice along with an I1 short tank or a neat-o E3sd Atlantic with solid mount spoked trailing truck. But then again there are a million neat steam locos.
I'm just glad I bought my Pennsy L1's and thank you guys for doing them.
Hot Water posted:Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
AMEN!
A Union Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 2-8-8-0 Bull Moose would be welcomed...never offered in 3R and many 2Rs may want-they haven't been offered forever.
How about a second go at a NYC/B&A Mikado? With Weaver gone, you might have success with something in New England Steam. Rutland, Maine Central, Boston & Maine, Central Vermont.
Do not forget about an N2 ! I understand that one has never been made.
Norm
86TA355SR posted:Hot Water posted:Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
AMEN!
A Union Pacific 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-10-2, or 2-8-8-0 Bull Moose would be welcomed...never offered in 3R and many 2Rs may want-they haven't been offered forever.
+1
Rule292 posted:........or a neat-o E3sd Atlantic with solid mount spoked trailing truck. But then again there are a million neat steam locos.
Or just a bit earlier......for an E2c
or earlier yet...........for an E1
or even just a plain D16......or an H1
Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR or NYC steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
Douglas
mwb posted:Rule292 posted:........or a neat-o E3sd Atlantic with solid mount spoked trailing truck. But then again there are a million neat steam locos.
Or just a bit earlier......for an E2c
or earlier yet...........for an E1
or even just a plain D16......or an H1
You're in a pickle since the trend is to build more modern equipment. Luckily as a turn of the century modeler you can scratchbuild most everything else that you need since most of it is wood. 
Oh, I'd go for a D16 (D16sb of course) just since it was the first steamer I ever rode behind.
Back to the question at hand. What locos are popular enough to sell en masse, whether PRR/NYC or not.
TP Fan posted:Scott,
Please, PLEASE, no more PRR or NYC steam locomotives, especially since you have pretty much done most of them!
Douglas
You had better go back and do your research. Sunset/3rd Rail has NOT done an NYC K5 Pacific, nor the H9/H10 2-8-2s, nor the L4b roller bearing rods Mohawks, for example.
Re "no more Pennsy", I personally am Pennsy-ed out , but the PRR represented something like 14% of all freight cars in service for a long swath of US railroad history. I would Imagine their steam locomotive roster would represent a similar ratio. And the PRR went to a goodly number of major population centers, as well as the most populous quartile of the country. Hence PRR's enduring popularity: familiarity.
But we O Scalers have been treated to a pretty grand spread of steam locomotives, from a wide variety of railroads, including Canada. And Sunset 3rd Rail has been a major contributor to that variety. Many, many thanks !! And Scott's proposal of a late model C&O 2-6-6-2 and the Texas & Pacific 2-10-4 is right in tandem with Sunset's varied offerings.
So that Milwaukee Road fans could run both passenger & freight, I'm surprised that with all of the A class Atlantics and F7 Hudson's out there, that a Milwaukee Road S2 Northern wouldn't sell.
I want a CNJ H1s 4-6-4t. What a stocky little brute. Never mind an NYC/B&A 4-6-6t was offered in a CNJ fantasy paint scheme in O scale 
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Hot Water, did you ever see one in operation when you were little?
Just added my reservation for the T&P Texas in Freedom Train colors and I can't wait for it!!!! This completes my locomotive collection for the Bicentennial Freedom Train.
Rolland
Scott, are you taking suggestions for steam only? God knows I'd be in for a couple variations of the pioneer zephyrs, a legendary train that has yet to be done in today's standards. You could do it in polished aluminum or plated brass to avoid thick window frames, and using the drives used in the RDCs no Lionel's stuff.
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Rule292 posted:I want a CNJ H1s 4-6-4t. What a stocky little brute. Never mind an NYC/B&A 4-6-6t was offered in a CNJ fantasy paint scheme in O scale
Hot Water, did you ever see one in operation when you were little?
Sure don't remember those. All I remember seeing were those big Pacifics with the Wooten Fireboxes, and lots of camelbacks.
Very excited to see the prospective models
I know the big L-131 is on its way; however, I'd definitely be up for a GN 2-8-8-2 R1/R2 in the future. It would be great to have a highly detailed/accurate O-scale version.
The only previous version I've come across is the Orient-LTD version from the 80s.
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Hi Guys,
My vote for the following steam engines to be considered by Sunset:
Please no more Jersey Central 4-6-0's. This nice, chunky freighter will fill a void with regard to Camelback offerings.
Speaking of Sunset announcing the T&P/CGW 2-10-4's, please consider the Central Vermont 2-10-4's:
How about a Rock island 4-8-4? They rostered more 4-8-4's than any American railroad
And how about a southern railroad 4-8-4? Below is a photo of a Central Railroad of Georgia 4-8-4.
And finally for now a Lackawanna Hudson. A truly beautiful engine. Speaking of Lackawanna steam models; just try and find a Weaver Pocono 4-8-4. The Anthracite roads have been much under represented.
There are some many steam models that haven't been offered yet. I'm hoping for a mix of them featuring steam power of various regions of this country.
Steve
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A strong second to Steam Guy's Rock Island 4-8-4 and the Central Vermont 2-10-4. Wonder if folks who have a proclivity for one road realize that railroads allowed trackage rights to other railroads, such as the D&RGW hosted Rock Island 4-8-4's in their Burnham roundhouse in Denver and the Union Pacific granted trackage rights to the Rock Island in eastern Kansas. So a UP or Rio Grande buff could certainly rationalize a CRI&P 4-8-4 in their midst. And there are numerous examples of co-mingled motive power all over the country.
