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I have a steam loco Nickel Plate 8617 (4-4-2, not sure of the number on it), that I think is 70's/80's vintage.  Has a full die-cast metal body but has the can motor and electronic reverser.

About 3-4 months ago, I cleaned it and got it running well and then was playing with it through the Christmas season and put it away shortly thereafter if I remember correctly.   

I pulled my trains out to play with a couple of days ago.  That one engine was barely moving at all and the smoke unit was getting really hot.

I took it apart and did a casual cleaning with some crc contact cleaner spray and tested it, same results, smoke unit got really hot and started billowing smoke, and the engine barely moved.  Made not-so-nice sounding humming noises.

I then disconnected and removed the smoke unit and tested.  It runs fair in reverse but still not running stable at all. If I give it part throttle, then it moves like it is really working hard but then if I give it full throttle, it takes off quickly and will fly off the track.  This is in reverse.  When I try to switch it to forward, it either switches to forward and barely runs at all, or it won't switch to forward at all and just runs in reverse which surprises me considering it is an electronic reversing unit as far as I can tell. 

So in reverse, it either runs rough part throttle or takes off at full throttle and wants to fly off the track and resists going into forward but might switch and then it runs very poorly in forward.

What should I be looking at with this unit?

 

 

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One of the rectifier diodes, or power transistors on the electronic reversing board has failed.  If the rectifier failed and allowed AC to reach the motor, the motor may have been damaged as well.

The good news is these parts are still available and not very expensive.  The motor number used to be 8008 or something like that.  I'm not sure what the part number is for the reversing board, but you could probably find it on the "Replacement Parts" section of the Lionel website.  My guess is that you can restore the loco to 100% for less than $50.

I haven't really looked at the rectifier board yet, is it made up of discrete components?  My neighbor stocks electronic components, I bet I could replace the diodes easily enough and test.  He could probably test the power transistors as well. I guess I could easily test the can motor by just unhooking the pos/neg wire from the rectifier area going to the motor and applying some DC current to the wires and see how it runs?  

Thanks for the info!

 

This appears to be the user guide for your locomotive series: https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ents/70-8616-250.pdf

Service Manual:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ent32/32Complete.pdf

See pages A-63

Service Manual Wiring Diagram:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ent21/21Complete.pdf

See Page A-49

Parts listings:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...c7-9f35-3ac43677a01d

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...00-9956-a60de80c5326

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...37-a702-dbf7bdc9c8c9

Related Loco Exploded Photograph:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...7b-b7a2-61b21e145bb5

My thoughts:

It seems as if your smoke unit may have cooked itself - it happens. In turn, that may have affected your electronic e-unit (or it could be coincidental). You may be able to replace the board or the discrete failed component (if obvious).

Last edited by bmoran4

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