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@eddie g posted:

I just learned that you will need a tax number to set up in the purple hall.

According to Clem's Primer, this is not a new requirement to have a Tax Id.

"The PA Sales Tax Office can and does send their people to visit the halls. Table holders in the Orange, Purple, and Black Halls are required to have PA Tax number. If you have a dealer license, be prepared to show it."

https://www.tcatrains.org/wp-c...g-2023-updated-2.pdf

I don't have it memorized but as someone heading to York for the first time I had just read through it.

More than having a tax ID, the dealers are expected to collect sales tax!

Davidnj, Sellers in the collector halls do not need a tax number.

@eddie g posted:

Davidnj, Sellers in the collector halls do not need a tax number.

Purple is considered a dealer hall.

I wonder how many sellers that do the bandit shows have a tax number.

Have any of the speculators here tried to contact Russell to find out what the deal is here? Just asking. No plan to attend this fall so it no interest on my part.

Pete

All I want to know is the answer to this Yes or No question:

Can a non-selling, non-table holding, TCA member attend the event in the Purple Hall on Oct 16-18 and buy trains/accessories? Yes or No.

@Anich posted:

All I want to know is the answer to this Yes or No question:

Can a non-selling, non-table holding, TCA member attend the event in the Purple Hall on Oct 16-18 and buy trains/accessories? Yes or No.

According to the EDTCA's posts on FaceBook, the answer is "Yes."  Furthermore, they state that it is open to anyone (including non-members) and there is no entry fee for the Purple Hall pre-show.  And the hours are Monday and Tuesday 10am-5pm and 10am-Noon on Wednesday.

Andy

@Anich posted:

All I want to know is the answer to this Yes or No question:

Can a non-selling, non-table holding, TCA member attend the event in the Purple Hall on Oct 16-18 and buy trains/accessories? Yes or No.

Yes

Thank you.

I don't remember any tableholders in April in the purple or black halls, layouts only.

So it looks like Thursday is the only members-only day. Does it still start at 12PM? Thanks!

I've heard and read the stories from the golden days of the York meet when there were bandit meets everywhere and people couldn't get to them all in one day.

That is true! I used to go early in the week and it pretty much took a couple of days to hit all the bandit meets if you were doing things at a reasonable pace. Made some decent buys at those gatherings back in the day. I did, however, avoid buying anything outdoors on days when the weather was bad.

@Andy Hummell posted:

According to the EDTCA's posts on FaceBook, ...

What is the point of having a website if it doesn't contain up-to-date accurate information? 

@Mallard4468 posted:

What is the point of having a website if it doesn't contain up-to-date accurate information?

Websites can be a real pain in the ### to edit and change (I know first hand), so many pay a third party to do this for them, and if there is a money allocation process, this can take time, and depending on the third party, it may take time for them to make the changes, depending on their workload.  For new info and breaking news (of this type, anyway), social media is the second best source right after the horse's mouth.

Andy

I'm not so sure this purple hall thing is going to work. We will see. I believe this is just one more place you need to go to check out all the bandit shows.

Anyone can have a table in the purple hall Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as long as you have a tax number and $50.

Yesterday I finally got my hotel reservations and registered for York done. Sure as heck took me long enough. I almost always would get those done near the end of June or early July because of my TCA membership renewal would be up in June. See you all there.

Just registered today. My first York trip since before the big lockdown. Really looking forward to a weekend of nothing but trains.

The purple hall is only designated as a dealer hall for the actual TCA meet. Since Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday are not part of the official show they might be treating those days differently and you may not need a tax number to sell. I haven’t seen it stated one way or the other.

@Keith k posted:

The purple hall is only designated as a dealer hall for the actual TCA meet. Since Monday,Tuesday and Wednesday are not part of the official show they might be treating those days differently and you may not need a tax number to sell. I haven’t seen it stated one way or the other.

On their FaceBook posts, they state that you need a tax number.  Here in the "Peoples Republic of Pennsylvania", to sell at any public venue (like flea markets or dealer halls open to the public) a vendor is supposed to have a sales tax number and collect and remit sales taxes to the state.  Some flea markets do not check the status of their vendors, so vendors there without the tax number could get some big state-induced headaches if they get a visit from a tax agent.  It really all but killed off flea markets in the state which used to be abundant and a fun way to spend a Summer weekend .  Here is a quick word from the horse's mouth.

I doubt that the EDTCA will allow anyone without a tax number due to their agreement with the Empire to keep the tax agents out of the member halls (and this is also why the member halls will  never  be open to the public).  Other flea markets do not have such worries (and in the case of the hotels, have big corporations with armies of lawyers and lobbyists behind them), and they won't get in trouble if the tax man finds non-compliance within the ranks of their vendors.

Andy

You do need a tax number to sell in the purple hall Mon, Tues, & Wed.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

More than having a tax ID, the dealers are expected to collect sales tax!

John:

I'm not sure what the dealers at the York Meet are required to do. I can tell you however what they actually do. They do not collect sales tax on cash sales. They never have in all the years I have attended the York Meets, commencing in 2002. They may collect sales tax on credit card sales. I wouldn't know, as I always pay with cash.

Pat

@irish rifle posted:

John:

I'm not sure what the dealers at the York Meet are required to do. I can tell you however what they actually do. They do not collect sales tax on cash sales. They never have in all the years I have attended the York Meets, commencing in 2002. They may collect sales tax on credit card sales. I wouldn't know, as I always pay with cash.

Pat

The "dealer pays the tax on cash sales" thing seems to be going away.  Past couple of years, many in the Orange hall are now charging tax regardless of payment method.  But it never hurts to ask.

@Mallard4468 posted:

The "dealer pays the tax on cash sales" thing seems to be going away.  Past couple of years, many in the Orange hall are now charging tax regardless of payment method.  But it never hurts to ask.

I have bought trains from a number of dealers in the Orange Hall consistently at each York Meet over the years, up to and including the April 2023 Meet, and have never paid sales tax to any of them....

Pat

@irish rifle posted:

I have bought trains from a number of dealers in the Orange Hall consistently at each York Meet over the years, up to and including the April 2023 Meet, and have never paid sales tax to any of them....

Pat

I don't doubt your experience, but mine has been different - we're probably buying from different dealers, because I always ask for the cash price.

@irish rifle posted:

I have bought trains from a number of dealers in the Orange Hall consistently at each York Meet over the years, up to and including the April 2023 Meet, and have never paid sales tax to any of them....

Pat

Well, if the dealer you were buying from was completely honest, he figured the tax portion of the sale later and sent it in to the state.  In other words, sales tax is included in the cash price.  For example, you buy an engine for $400 cash; later, the dealer figures the 6% tax portion of the sale to be $22.65 and keeps $377.35 for himself.  Whether or not the dealers actually do this is known only by the dealers themselves, and if they are not completely honest with the state, then that will be between them and the state if the state ever finds out.  With credit card sales, they tack on the sales tax because the built-in margin that would have gone to pay the sales tax (if the dealer is honest) now goes to the credit card company and banks for their fees (and if the dealer is less than honest about taxes, there is now a paper trail).

Andy

Ordered more Glen Snyder shelving yesterday for York delivery.

@irish rifle posted:

John:

I'm not sure what the dealers at the York Meet are required to do. I can tell you however what they actually do. They do not collect sales tax on cash sales. They never have in all the years I have attended the York Meets, commencing in 2002. They may collect sales tax on credit card sales. I wouldn't know, as I always pay with cash.

Pat

Well, what they do and what the lay says isn't always the same thing.  I can assure you, retail sales, be it cash, credit, or check, are taxable.  The PA tax laws are crystal clear.

@Andy Hummell posted:

On their FaceBook posts, they state that you need a tax number.  Here in the "Peoples Republic of Pennsylvania", to sell at any public venue (like flea markets or dealer halls open to the public) a vendor is supposed to have a sales tax number and collect and remit sales taxes to the state.  Some flea markets do not check the status of their vendors, so vendors there without the tax number could get some big state-induced headaches if they get a visit from a tax agent.  It really all but killed off flea markets in the state which used to be abundant and a fun way to spend a Summer weekend .  Here is a quick word from the horse's mouth.

I doubt that the EDTCA will allow anyone without a tax number due to their agreement with the Empire to keep the tax agents out of the member halls (and this is also why the member halls will  never  be open to the public).  Other flea markets do not have such worries (and in the case of the hotels, have big corporations with armies of lawyers and lobbyists behind them), and they won't get in trouble if the tax man finds non-compliance within the ranks of their vendors.

Andy

I don't remember how many years ago it was (probably a lot), but the PA tax people "raided" the Billy Budd bandit show and shut down all vendors who didn't have a tax number. Both inside the hotel and in the parking lot. Flashing lights and lots of police. It was really quite a sight. And that's when the bandit shows were big deals.

Gerry

@Andy Hummell posted:

Well, if the dealer you were buying from was completely honest, he figured the tax portion of the sale later and sent it in to the state.  In other words, sales tax is included in the cash price.  For example, you buy an engine for $400 cash; later, the dealer figures the 6% tax portion of the sale to be $22.65 and keeps $377.35 for himself.  Whether or not the dealers actually do this is known only by the dealers themselves, and if they are not completely honest with the state, then that will be between them and the state if the state ever finds out.  With credit card sales, they tack on the sales tax because the built-in margin that would have gone to pay the sales tax (if the dealer is honest) now goes to the credit card company and banks for their fees (and if the dealer is less than honest about taxes, there is now a paper trail).

Andy

Andy:

You make a good point. At York, all of the dealers I have bought from over the years typically post a flat dollar price. You may be able to get them to drop the price with some haggling, particularly if you are purchasing multiple items. What the dealers do with the cash they receive I have no way to know, and it is certainly possible that there is a component of the cash price that they reserve for the sales tax. That said, if for example, the agreed-upon sales price is $75, if you pay for the item with cash, that's all you pay, while if you pay with a credit card, you will pay $75 plus the sales tax. But I recognize that this could simply mean that you are getting a discount on a cash purchase.

Pat

@irish rifle posted:

That said, if for example, the agreed-upon sales price is $75, if you pay for the item with cash, that's all you pay, while if you pay with a credit card, you will pay $75 plus the sales tax. But I recognize that this could simply mean that you are getting a discount on a cash purchase.

Which makes perfect sense from their viewpoint.  It's basically equalizing the cash and credit gross profit since they had to pay the credit card fees on the credit sale.

@gmorlitz posted:

I don't remember how many years ago it was (probably a lot), but the PA tax people "raided" the Billy Budd bandit show and shut down all vendors who didn't have a tax number. Both inside the hotel and in the parking lot. Flashing lights and lots of police. It was really quite a sight. And that's when the bandit shows were big deals.

Gerry

The tax issue is probably one of the biggest factors in the decline of the bandit meets.  It did the same to non-train-specific flea markets.  Occasional sellers (like myself) are turned off by the red tape and hoops you have to jump through, not to mention the extra work of becoming an unpaid tax collector for the state.

Andy

If I'm not a seller I could care less if you have a tax number or not. As the consumer it's not my business or problem. Tell me what you want for it and you do the tax math afterwards or not.  The EDTCA states very clearly you need a tax number to sell in the Purple Hall for this event.  It's not up for debate at that point.  It's entirely up to the seller if they want to take that chance.

Just think, come October it is going to be great. Not only will baseball(for those that watch) be coming to a close, football season will be swinging as well. I'll have to see who is the Thursday game for Quaker Steak and Lube. I can't wait.

Getting closer 54 days.

Just got my badge in the mail and I'm getting excited.

Leaves are falling in Central Virginia and I am getting excited!

Peter

Just received my badge today, but not my daughter's.  It probably will come tomorrow.

We are planning on attending friday.  We drive the 3+ hours to, and 3+ hours back home afterwards.  I'm wondering if the new monday opening will water down the usual thursday, friday, and saturday show,

@Frank Mulligan posted:

Just received my badge today, but not my daughter's.  It probably will come tomorrow.

We are planning on attending friday.  We drive the 3+ hours to, and 3+ hours back home afterwards.  I'm wondering if the new monday opening will water down the usual thursday, friday, and saturday show,

Frank:

Not likely, IMHO. We shall see.

Pat