Is the K-Line GG1 about the same size as the RMT version?
{The RMT version is 3/16th's S scale, but using 3-rail O gauge track, I believe?}
If I get me a K-Line GG1 would it match up in size okay with my current RMT one?
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I believe they are the same. RMT got this when the K-Line items were split up.
Pete
NOT S scale, not even close.
The K-Line and RMT are basically the same size as the Lionel postwar and the Williams traditional.
In fact, the story I heard was that K-Line used the Williams traditional dies, which were then used by RMT.
Well, I dunno about the K-Line GG1, nor the Williams traditional. (Which is why I was asking?) But the RMT GG1 I have is smaller, but also longer, lower, and slimmer {and maybe even a bit truer in proportions?} than the bulky and stubby Lionel postwar traditional sized GG1. I guess maybe I'll have to see an actual K-Line GG1 to compare it's size to my RMT one...
You could have fooled me ! I cannot find any difference in size between the RMT, K-Line and Lionel GG1s. The only noticeable, improvement IMO, would be the full length cab doors and ladder detail on the K-Line and RMT models.
The RMT, OLR, K-line GG1s are the same with no difference and are all made by the same company that made K-line.
Greywoulf posted:Well, I dunno about the K-Line GG1, nor the Williams traditional. (Which is why I was asking?) But the RMT GG1 I have is smaller, but also longer, lower, and slimmer {and maybe even a bit truer in proportions?} than the bulky and stubby Lionel postwar traditional sized GG1. I guess maybe I'll have to see an actual K-Line GG1 to compare it's size to my RMT one...
Maybe posting a photo of it on a piece of track alongside an item of known size might help.
First photo - All three Lionel GG1s. 4935 is an Elliot Welz repaint of my 8953.
Second photo - The Conrail #4800 and Tuscan #4912 are both K-Line
I physically measured each one and all five are identical in size.
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Greywoulf posted:Well, I dunno about the K-Line GG1, nor the Williams traditional. (Which is why I was asking?) But the RMT GG1 I have is smaller, but also longer, lower, and slimmer {and maybe even a bit truer in proportions?} than the bulky and stubby Lionel postwar traditional sized GG1. I guess maybe I'll have to see an actual K-Line GG1 to compare it's size to my RMT one...
How about a picture of your GG-1?
Comparison pics would be really interesting
Norton posted:I believe they are the same. RMT got this when the K-Line items were split up.
Pete
That also was my understanding. The full length doors and wire grab irons on the K-Line/RMT models are the easily recognized cosmetic difference between them and all other (Lionel, Railking, Williams) traditional semi scale GG1’s.
Greywoulf posted:RMT GG1
Dimensions: approx. 14.5in. Long x 3.75in. High x 2.5in. Wide
Perhaps my eyes and/or memories are fooling me, but I remember the traditional sized Lionel GG1's as being higher, wider, and chunkier than my RMT GG1......???
They are.
PATSTRAINS posted:The RMT, OLR, K-line GG1s are the same with no difference and are all made by the same company that made K-line.
Correct. Ownership of the GG1 and other K-Line tooling, which was used by the Sanda Kan factory in China to produce K-Line’s models, was transferred to the factory by Maury Klein to pay off his debts following his legal entanglements with Lionel around 2008.
Sanda Kan, in turn, was bought by Kader (Bachmann’s parent company), who retained most or all of the K-Line tooling and still produces certain models for model train companies, presumably including RMT and Menards (both unverified publicly by either company) on a fee basis.
Lionel also used some of the K-Line tooling for two years under the K-Line by Lionel branding until Kader ended Sanda Kan’s relationship with roughly 70 manufacturers worldwide, including Lionel, in 2010.
Jim R. posted:...presumably including RMT and Menards (both unverified publicly by either company) on a fee basis...
WBB/Bachmann has gone on record that they(& Kader/Sanda Kan) have nothing to do with the Menards cars and did not manufacture them.
They are reportedly Chinese(Golden Wheel Die Cast) clones of Williams.
I have talked to a representative of Menards. There has been no such pronouncements. They only say that it is proprietary information.
Jim R. posted:...There has been no such pronouncements....
Sorry, I was editing when you posted this, it's the other way around - WBB made the statement. This comes up quite a bit.
Golden Wheel has been more or less confirmed as a manufacturer for Menards, but Menards product line goes well beyond anything Kader or Sanda Kan ever produced.
Presumably, all of Menards’ MDF HO and O scale buildings come from another factory. I’m not sure of Golden Wheel’s scope of production abilities in that regard.
But those 40-foot boxcars and gondolas that appear identical to Williams cars? I use to think they were clones, too, but I have reason to suspect otherwise now. Again, without official confirmation from Menards.
Greywoulf posted:RMT GG1
Perhaps my eyes and/or memories are fooling me, but I remember the traditional sized Lionel GG1's as being higher, wider, and chunkier than my RMT GG1......???
Your eyes and memories are fooling you. The traditional GG1 models are all essentially the same size/shape/contour.
http://www.legacykline.com/app...p_oem_sku=K2780-4907
Why not look at some in person and convince yourself?
Must be the black... Everything looks slimmer in black!
But at least I found out that if I bought an older K-Line GG1 (at less expense) it would still match up in size with my "slim" black RMT version...
Thanks for the corrective lenses! ;>})
Skip ;>})
A noticeable difference exists in MTH's variation of their traditional RailKing GG1 compared to all others. They beefed up the body slightly, a difference that doesn't become obvious unless examples are compared side by side. For a short period it was marketed by Lionel when both companies had a relationship. Lionel retooled, returning to exact PW dimensions while the RK version continues to this day. A nice touch with the PS3 version is the directionally controlled automatic pantographs.
Bruce
No it's not just the black. The mpc Lionel and Williams were just a tad chuckier. I e., the K-line body curves a bit broader imo. It may have been the finish coats sheen; but I don't think so. Try to swap a shell, I think it varies about 1/16th on width and corners.
Greywoulf posted:RMT GG1
Perhaps my eyes and/or memories are fooling me, but I remember the traditional sized Lionel GG1's as being higher, wider, and chunkier than my RMT GG1......???
Well, your hands and eyes (and mine!) were a lot smaller in the days of the original Lionel GG1s.
--John
