One of our club members just got his Lionel J engine back from Harry Hieke and ran it last night. Here are a few pictures of HArry's work which included the Aux Tender as well. BTW this engine had the best whistle smoke on any engine ever.
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Nice photos. Is that a Lionel sand tower?
Grampstrains posted:Some nice work by Harry.
I have a very different opinion! If you look close, you too will see why.
Big Jim posted:Grampstrains posted:Some nice work by Harry.
I have a very different opinion! If you look close, you too will see why.
Don't worry Jim! Lionel quit paying for repaints 2 days ago.
There are plenty of J's left with crisp factory striping in bright red. Get one before they sell out!! LOL!
RickO posted:Big Jim posted:Grampstrains posted:Some nice work by Harry.
I have a very different opinion! If you look close, you too will see why.
Don't worry Jim! Lionel quit paying for repaints 2 days ago.
There are plenty of J's left with crisp factory striping in bright red. Get one before they sell out!! LOL!
I don't see it, might be because I'm on my phone.
Those of you wondering where Lionel got the "incorrect" and thus horrible richer red color might want to look at the current locomotive at its current museum home. Apparently the N&W doesn't know that the darker color of the postwar 611 is the correct color 
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Landsteiner posted:Those of you wondering where Lionel got the "incorrect" and thus horrible richer red color might want to look at the current locomotive at its current museum home. Apparently the N&W doesn't know that the darker color of the postwar 611 is the correct color
I have nothing. LOL!
Very nice upgrade.
One curious thing I find about this particular engine is how big the lettering is on the engine and tender. On the other J's that I've seen, the lettering decals are quite thin and small, but this one has them big and bold.
Just a little observation by a passive observer. Not meant to detract from the model in any way. Very nice indeed!
To my eye, there is some maroon color bleeding into the gold pin stripe on the tender. On the positive side, it is a vast improvement over previous red color. Full credit to Lionel for offering two resolutions. I turned mine back to the dealer for full credit. Other than the color issue, I thought it was a great running and sounding model.
Chris
I was fortunate in that I was able to be an "engineer" when the J was at Strasburg.
I think the red on the actual J and the latest Lionel J are a close match.
Because of this, I decided to keep my new J in its "as built" red scheme.
I will try to add a photo I took at Strasburg.
I think we can all be pleased with whatever we decided to do, keep it or have Harry do the repaint.
Both are nice.
Maxrailroad posted:Nice photos. Is that a Lionel sand tower?
MAx
Yes its the Lionel Sand tower Nice addition to our layout
Landsteiner posted:Those of you wondering where Lionel got the "incorrect" and thus horrible richer red color might want to look at the current locomotive at its current museum home. Apparently the N&W doesn't know that the darker color of the postwar 611 is the correct color
I beg your pardon!
One must remember that the light has a lot to do with the way the camera records the color and that in many photos the same color appears very different in the stretch of just a few inches as shown below. How many different shades do you see?
"How many different shades do you see?"
A few, but they are all shades of red, or perhaps burgundy. None of them look brown. Our eyes see colors differently too, as individuals, just as cameras and photos can be different. The lower photo you posted above looks a lot like Lionel's red. Short of reflective spectroscopy or some similar objective technique, there will be no "truth."
What did the original Lionel color look like?
Since I returned mine I really don't have a dog in this fight anymore but the poster above asked for some pictures so here they are.
All of these shot in the same lighting.
The first scale Lionel J TMCC 606 circa 2002. This color is basically what every manufacturer, including Lionel, has produced in the past and most would accept as the corrected or most correct stripe color. This is what the majority of passenger cars match. The Lionel coaches have not arrived to compare but the RPO car also was a brighter red so one can possibly assume the passenger cars will be the same similar to the as delivered 2019 J.
The new Lionel J from the last catalog with a more bright red.
Nose to nose. You can judge for yourself.
IMO the only way this will ever be decided is to hold the engine up to the J at the museum.
Just for comparison, here is a comparison between the Legacy J from the N&W Pocahontas set circa 2012 and the scale TMCC 606 circa 2002. TMCC is on the right. The color on these are very close.
The 2012 Tender is on the right in this picture. They are very close in color as well.
This is what the current Lionel J 611 looks like in a Legacy Station video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S-L8Lg_-Mw
To my eye very much like the bright red in some of the museum photos. Looks like when N&W repainted the loco this is the choice they made.
Shouldn't the stripe on the auxiliary water bottle be at the same height as the one on the tender? They do not look to be the same in the first photo.
Included here are three photos from Strasburg, on the day I was lucky enough to be the engineer.
Note the color of the stripe. Seems to match my new J.
In the second photo, I am holding my Lionel Scout loco, given to me by my dad before my first birthday.
This is a recreation of the famous prewar Lionel ad where the boy is showing a NYC engineer his Lionel locomotive while they are standing next to a real steam locomotive. (page 73 of Ron Hollanders All Aboard.)
I am showing my 1110 Scout to J engineer Sandy Alexander. I showed him the ad from Hollanders book.
Then, in the bottom photo, you will see my Scout on top of the Js main rod, where Sandy put it for the photo.
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