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With the recent announcement of the new Lionel VISION Line J1e Hudson, I was already planning on assembling the components for a reasonably accurate Twilight Limited in 3RS for whichever model I order to pull it.

A quick DuckDuckGo search says these did have coaches after World War 2, but the majority of the consist were Parlor cars and a Diner as was the case prior to the war.

I already had a few Golden Gate Depot 8-1-2 Sleepers in Pullman lettering on order and just got an unmarked 12-1 Sleeper from Beth at Public Delivery Track for another consist. I would easily order more if need be, since Scott still has the reservations for these open as of writing.

I realize the existing Lionel heavyweight tooling is not the most accurate, plus I don't like how much work it is to get them up to 3RS standards, but they are more affordable and easier to find.

I know GGD made a really nice Baggage, Diner and Observation pack awhile back for NYC, but finding any of those three isn't easy. Especially the Diner. I don't know if any of the Parlors were made that weren't for the streamlined Dreyfuss/20th Century consist...

For the die-hard NYC enthusiasts out there, let me know of what would be my best method to assemble this consist.

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Are parlor cars more opulent in design compared to coach cars meaning roomier, and more open? Something like some of the Strasburg cars I'm thinking inside, not sure about how outside would be?

It’s the window arrangement that’s sets a parlor car apart from a coach Dave, ….sure, one could pull out the coach interior, and install the types of seats found in a parlor car, but it wouldn’t be 100% accurate,…..

Pat

So this is a terrible picture but it's the one I've taken so...

This is the Cedar Rapids, showing off a what's probably a slightly more modern parlor style, but my understanding is that parlor seating is usually some flavor of single row of chairs on either side of the car.  Probably wouldn't look too much different on the outside unless there's something specific about window placements.

Edit: Oops, took too long typing this and missed Pat's comment that yes, window spacing does matter.

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Thomas, you probably could build your own consist, using green heavyweights, at very least, one combination car, perhaps a baggage, and make some coaches into parlor cars, perhaps a diner, …..shorter train, maybe 7-10 cars, …one picture exists of a J3a # 5434 with PT tender pulling out of Kalamazoo ( might’ve been into Kalamazoo so don’t quote me on that ) …..I think some coaches remained up to & past the war…..remember, this was a short trip train set, so no sleepers during steam that I’m aware of, …..the train was dropped right before P/C merger, but reintroduced during Slamtrak.

Pat

Thanks for the advice, Pat. It's much appreciated.

While the Lionel cars don't really hold a candle to the Golden Gate Depot coaches, they might be able to be converted to something in the likes of decent parlor cars for an inexpensive price. GGD does still has reservation openings for the prewar and postwar Heavyweight coaches in both Pullman green and NYC two-tone. We'll see what I can work with...

@Mikado 4501 posted:

Thanks for the advice, Pat. It's much appreciated.

While the Lionel cars don't really hold a candle to the Golden Gate Depot coaches, they might be able to be converted to something in the likes of decent parlor cars for an inexpensive price. GGD does still has reservation openings for the prewar and postwar Heavyweight coaches in both Pullman green and NYC two-tone. We'll see what I can work with...

To me, the Twighlight Limited was kinda like a luxury evening train for probably well-to -do executives and elites …..So think plush amenities , plenty of alcohol, and good food,…..coaches added during depression era for those souls that lost their backsides in the landslides…

Pat

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