SantaFeJim posted:Can you spot it?
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Is that the Atlas Sante Fe F7 that had quality control issues upon delivery from China? If so, I understand the delivery delays...LMAO.
gnnpnut posted:Dan Padova posted:Some who have responded to this thread pointed out that trying to save every bit of railroad history is unrealistic. I agree. However, if the Union Pacific can do it, then surely other first class railroads should have done it. It seems the Pennsylvania RR may have done a better job preserving a few items than the New York Central. Wasn't the K4 at Horseshoe Curve placed there by the Pennsy ? Not one Hudson was saved from the scrapper by NYC's leadership. I don't believe even the Dreyfus Hudson is in any museum, correct me if I am mistaken.
The one major boner pulled by the Standard Railroad of the World was the demolition of Penn Station. I still cringe when I see documentaries about it, mainly because most of my career was in historic restoration.
Never understood the railfan view that a privately owned railroad company somehow has the obligation to keep around their old worn out junk for posterity. These are for-profit businesses, and when steam was going through its last throes, or for that matter when the GG-1s were wearing the PC noodle in the late 60s thru Conrail, most of the railroads east of Chicago, and north of the Mason-Dixon line, were in financial ruins.
No private company has any obligation to save anything. We could have nationalized the railroads in the late 1950s and 1960s as was discussed, and then we would be an overly large equivalent of the UK, and much like Canada, which had a coast to coast nationalized railroad (and a significant amount of their steam and early diesel was preserved). And we, the taxpayers, can pay for all the inefficiencies that government ownership of freight railroads brings.
Emigrate to Canada, let me know how you enjoy their personal tax structure. Even Alberta, which used to be staunchly conservative, with lower tax rates, and offered a provincial surplus, is being driven right into the ditch by Rachel Notley and the NDP party.
No thanks.
GNNPNUT
The mentality of the post war period was to get rid of anything old. Perhaps those who lived through the depression wanted a clean slate with nothing to remind them of those dire years. And as we saw, the urban renewal movement indescriminately bulldozed many historic structures into oblivion, along with any thought of re-using, or to use the new term, "Re-purposing" some of those structures.
I know that Italy has laws or ordinances requiring building owners to keep the exterior of their buildings original. However, they are permitted to alter the interior to suit the times. We're talking buildings that are up to a couple thousand years old or more. England and France have similar laws. I haven't travelled to the rest of Europe but I'd bet the mentality would be similar.
Both of the examples above are privately owned businesses or structures.
Rusty Traque posted:Dan Padova posted:
I understand the need to move the intakes. What I don't get is the failure to make them aesthetically pleasing. The railroad didn't even try to follow the graceful lines of the upper car body. Lowey's design is almost invisible. I think the same logic could have been followed when designing the new intakes.
Railroads seldom worry about esthetics when making mods:
Rusty
So why then would the railroads spend millions of dollars having equipment designed to impress the public and not take pride in it when maintenance needed to be done ?
Dan Padova posted:Rusty Traque posted:Dan Padova posted:
I understand the need to move the intakes. What I don't get is the failure to make them aesthetically pleasing. The railroad didn't even try to follow the graceful lines of the upper car body. Lowey's design is almost invisible. I think the same logic could have been followed when designing the new intakes.
Railroads seldom worry about esthetics when making mods:
So why then would the railroads spend millions of dollars having equipment designed to impress the public and not take pride in it when maintenance needed to be done ?
You ARE kidding with that question, right?
