GGD UP Heritage Fleet announced - with tenders!

I bet these are going to be absolutely gorgeous. I'm pretty happy with the die-cast tenders that Lionel has released, but I'll definitely pick up a complete excursion set.

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Hi Jeramiah,

That's great news! I will be up for a complete set. I like the Lionel cars that i have acquired from cobbling together pieces from various years, but i would be the GGD version would have that extra quality and feature that was seen when they did the Southern Pacific sets for example.

I look forward to more details of timing and price, hoping these are not too far off in the future.

- Kden Gillig

Talked to Scott yesterday at the March Meet, these cars are going to be fantastic.  Thanked him from all of us who wanted these.  

Can hardly wait for the order link…or delivery!

Some info available now on Third and Townsend Models O Scale Preorder page: https://www.thirdandtownsendmodels.com/oscalepreorder

I'll definitely be in for the two water cars and the 2066 power car. I've already got most of what I need from Lionel. I'm sure these will be considerably better but I'm trying to scale back my purchasing these days.

I’ll definitely be in for tenders and a power car. I’m waiting to see pricing to decide if I want any more cars. Well I might want them but what I want to spend money on 😅

So nice to see all these and passenger cars with ball bearings!

If I could, I'd buy the whole train... and a full set of SP for my Daylights..... and the NYC ones... and the chargers...

great time to be in O scale. It will be exciting to see these.

The 3-D printed posts were edited out of this thread.  They belong in the 3-D category.

There will be two different sets available and off course offerings for various add-on cars, but that is still to be determined.  It should be a very exciting set.  Still a lot of planning to do though!

Jonathan, I sure would like to see a 1950’s U P set to accompany the yet to be made Sunset Erie built diesels. The UP cars could also be a big part of a 1970’s AUTO- TRAIN.

@GG1 4877 posted:

There will be two different sets available and off course offerings for various add-on cars, but that is still to be determined.  It should be a very exciting set.  Still a lot of planning to do though!

I don't think Scott would do this but it wouldn't hurt to ask here, and ask you too, I did see some of the preliminary ad on cars that was potentially going to be offered. Would it be possible to make all the cars add-ons just in case you want to buy one of the sets and add on more than what has been preliminarily announced? I would like to get a set and cars from another, without reserving 2 sets and selling off the majority of the 2nd set.

@SDIV Tim posted:

I don't think Scott would do this but it wouldn't hurt to ask here, and ask you too, I did see some of the preliminary ad on cars that was potentially going to be offered. Would it be possible to make all the cars add-ons just in case you want to buy one of the sets and add on more than what has been preliminarily announced? I would like to get a set and cars from another, without reserving 2 sets and selling off the majority of the 2nd set.

Agreed - someone who buys both sets ends up with three duplicate cars (the two coaches and an extra power car).  Maybe GGD would consider doing four sleepers (two different ones per set) instead of coaches and have the coaches as add-ons?

As always, these new announcements take a little time to shake out.  There will certainly be add-on car options, they just need to be determined.  Stay tuned for updates!

Real life observations of UP 4014 BB trains .... in relation to GGD offerings being planned ...

The two GGD sets that were described had cars, which UP had since coming out in 2019 always were together, but in the sets one car in one set and another car in the other set. For example: Walter Dean and City of Denver.

Thee were some cars that were in almost all the real life trains - Howard Fogg, Lynn Nystrom always follows Art Lockman ... granted these are upfront baggage redone cars but always present - and these are not yet in the sets are as extras.

Early BB tour trains had a Theatre like care as last car ("Idaho") then later "Lincoln" business car as last car.

There seemed to be two Power cars - 2055 and 2066, but i haver no yet tracked with what versions of the tour trains.

You al most need to look at all trains since 2019 and document which cars with which train by year or tour or both.

It will be interesting to see which GGD cars are committed to be made and in what grouping(s).

- Ken

It looks like the set configurations have been updated (copied from https://www.goldengatedepot.co...tion.html#UPHERITAGE on 03/26/25):

Cars Included in Set A: ($3359)

- Promontory Baggage Car (Experience The UP)

- Texas Eagle Coach Car

- 2066 Power Car

- Walter Dean Dome Lounge

- Columbia Deluxe Sleeper

- Overland Dining Car

- Feather River Business Car

- Idaho Theater Car

Cars Included in Set B: ($3359)

- Council Bluffs Baggage Car (Flag Baggage)

- Howard Fogg Power Car

- Portland Rose Coach Cars

- Harriman Dome Lounge

- Green River Deluxe Sleeper

- City of Denver Dining Car

- Kenefick Business Car

- Fox River Theater Car

Add on Cars:

- Fox River Theater Car ($599.95)

- Idaho Theater Car ($599.95)

- Standard UP Baggage 2 Truck (same as other two in sets but in UP Amour Yellow) ($419.95)

- Standard UP Baggage 3 Truck (same as other two in sets but in UP Amour Yellow) ($419.95)

- Dome Coach Columbine ($599.95)

- Dome Coach Challenger ($599.95)

- 2066 Power Car ($599.95)

- Howard Fogg Power Car ($599.95)

- St. Louis Business Car ($599.95)

- Cheyenne Business Car ($599.95)

- Lincoln Business Car ($599.95)

And pricing is now listed on the order page:

Personally, I'm not a particular fan of the theater cars and would prefer if they were dropped from the sets and were exchanged with a dome. However, I'm sure other people feel the opposite way. I would just prefer that if you buy two of the sets that when you run them together you don't end up with 3 business/theater cars sitting while one runs. So, maybe the ideal solution is to take the theater/business cars out of the sets and put unique chair/coach cars in instead?

Oh wow. Look at that. I seem to have become very poor, very quicky. I'm very excited about these.

BUT  with the 2066 Power car have two rotating fans and a smoke unit??

@AlanRail posted:

BUT  with the 2066 Power car have two rotating fans and a smoke unit??

Perhaps if you add them.  E.g. I plan to harvest the Legacy electronics from my two quasi-prototypical Lionel aux tenders and install them in these upcoming GGD beauties.  Then I'll sell the empty Lionel tenders, along with all of my other Lionel UP cars.

I'm still going to order the cars I need but $600 a piece is expensive, even by GGD standards.

I went in for set B, 1 tender & the Columbine dome. I’m hoping for a City of Portland dome diner. Even though I’m supporting this project I will say $600.00 a car is extremely steep and I really hope the level of detail matches that price.

Is there a historical way to track the consist behind #4014? I have the original 9-car consist and the 15-car loadout from when I saw it in Fort Worth, but I can't find the source for the two sets being offered for sale.

@J.Dooley posted:

Is there a historical way to track the consist behind #4014? I have the original 9-car consist and the 15-car loadout from when I saw it in Fort Worth, but I can't find the source for the two sets being offered for sale.

Is there a particular year you would like a breakdown of? I can share my lists from Challenger, Big Boy and 844 runs.

My dream consist will have about 22 MTH premier consist pulled by my Big Boy oil burner.  We live close enough to UP Steam's home in Cheyenne that we have chased and ridden the excursions for years. My excursion train will be a blend of all that we have experienced.

As a newbie to 3rd Rail passenger cars, will their cars blend with mine?  I need the two power cars and one platform car.  Are they heavier and what kind of couplers do they have?

@Susan Deats posted:

As a newbie to 3rd Rail passenger cars, will their cars blend with mine?  I need the two power cars and one platform car.  Are they heavier and what kind of couplers do they have?

They have regular O Gauge couplers. The cars are 21" long so they will be a bit longer than your MTH cars (also bigger minimum curve). As for the paint match, it's hard to say without setting the finished product.

@J.Dooley posted:

Is there a historical way to track the consist behind #4014? I have the original 9-car consist and the 15-car loadout from when I saw it in Fort Worth, but I can't find the source for the two sets being offered for sale.

Challenger Excursion

Jim Adams
Joe Jordan
9336
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
Golden State Limited
Sherman Hill
Sunshine Special
Columbine
St Louis

Cali Full Excursion:

4014
Joe Jordan
Jim Adams
9072
2551
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
Lynn Nystrom
Promontory
Green River
2066
Walter Dean
City of Denver
Kenefick
Little Rock
Omaha
Challenger
Sunshine Special
City of salina
Texas Eagle
Columbine
Missouri River Eagle
208
Colorado Eagle
City of Los Angeles
City of Portland
City of San Francisco
Cheyenne

Bush Funeral Train
UP4141
UP9096
UP 2066
City of Portland
City of San Francisco
Council Bluffs
Lone Star
Harriman
Overland
Portola
City of Denver
Walter Dean
Kenefick

Bush Family Train
UP9096
UP7379
UP207
Columbia River
Powder River
Lake Bluff
Lake Forrest
Green River
Omaha
City Of Los Angeles
Little Rock
Feather River

2014 Big Boy:
UP 4014
Jim Adams (UPP 809)
Joe Jordan (UPP 814)
UP 4015
Art Lockman (UPP 6334)
Howard Fogg (UPP 209)
Lynn Nystrom (UPP 5714)
Power Car (2055)
Pony Express
COLORADO EAGLE
Challenger
Promontory
Omaha
Walter Dean
Denver
Lincoln

Prior 4014
UP 4014 4-8-8-4
Jim Adams (UPP 809)
UPP 809 Jim Adams Water Car with US Flag
UP 8167 C45AH (replaced by UP 3025 SD70ACe-T4 in Boone)
UPP 6334 Art Lockman Tool Car
UPP 209 Howard Fogg Power Car
UPP 5714 Lynn Nystrom Baggage Car
UPP 207 Power Car (off at Boone)
UPP 7011 Missouri River Eagle Dome Diner ex-Dome Coach (off at Boone)
UPP 9009 City of San Francisco Dome Lounge Observation (off at Boone)
UPP 8008 City of Portland Dome Diner (off at Boone)
UPP 7015 Challenger Dome Coach
UPP 5752 Promontory Exhibition Car
UPP 1602 Green River 8 Bedroom Deluxe Sleeper
UPP 2066 Power Car
UPP 9005 Walter Dean Dome Lounge Observation
UPP 5011 City of Denver Diner Lounge
UPP 119 Kenefick Business Car

Big Boy 2022:
4014
Jim Adams (UPP 809)
Jim Adams (UPP 809)
4015
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
Colorado Eagle
Challenger
Promontory
Omaha
207
Walter Dean
Fox River

93 Challenger:

#3985 (painted black)
Tender #1 (probably 907856)
Tender #2 (907857)
#6299 diesel locomotive SD60M
Double plug door excursion boxcar (24336)
Tool Car (Art Lockman)
Boiler-Dorm Car
Commissary Car (Sherman Hill)
Coach (City of Salina)
Coach (Texas Eagle)
Dome (Challenger)
Baggage Car (Pony Express)
Coach (Portland Rose)
Diner (City of Los Angeles)
Dome (Columbine)
Coach (Sunshine Special)
Club Lounge (Sun Valley)
Dome (City of Portland)
Power Car
Business Car (Cheyenne with U.P. drumhead on rear railing)

Big Boy Cali: Short

4014
Joe Jordan
Jim Adams
9072
2551
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
Lynn Nystrom
Experience UP
Green River
2066
Walter Dean
City of Denver
Kenefick
Little Rock
Omaha

844 Excursion
844
Jim Adams
1943
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
2066
Feather River
Harriman
Lone Star
Missouri River Eagle
City of Denver
City of Salina
Portland Rose
Sunshine Special
Challenger
Council Bluffs
Katy Flyer
Texas Eagle
Columbine
City of Portland
208
Walter Dean
City of San Fransisco
Cheyenne

Cali Full Excursion:

4014
Joe Jordan
Jim Adams
9072
2551
Art Lockman
Howard Fogg
Lynn Nystrom
Promontory
Green River
2066
Walter Dean
City of Denver
Kenefick
Little Rock
Omaha
Challenger
Sunshine Special
City of salina
Texas Eagle
Columbine
Missouri River Eagle
208
Colorado Eagle
City of Los Angeles
City of Portland
City of San Francisco
Cheyenne