Golden Gate Depot--What's Next?

Ok, bring in any of those engines and I'm still in for a Yellow Kid train! 

 

BTW, a set of the Westerfield set of resin kits for these cars (HO) is on eBay right now and up to $200. 

I would love to see the following heavyweight cars:

 

1.  Pullmans, 6-6 and/or 8-5

2.  RPO/Baggage, 30' RPO in a 70' car

3.  Baggage/express, 70'

4.  Diner/lounge, 24 dining seats

5.  Business car

 

ChipR

GGD has already pretty much produced all of those, in many different railroads.

HW,

 

I must respectfully disagree.  

 

GGD produced 12-1s and 8-1-2s but not a 6-6 or 8-5.  I also don't remember a business car, diner/lounge nor a RPO/baggage combine.

 

Perhaps I should modify my request to be non-PRR.

 

ChipR

Well, I'm not so sure....anymore!

 

Anyone else well aware of the firm Archer Transfers???  Among the several products they make is a whole line of 3D resin rivet detail on a waterslide film.  There've been several articles in model railroad publications about this hobby's use of this innovative material.

 

Here's but one example from Archer's website...

 

Archer Link

 

But, although it would on the surface (pun intended!) seem to be labor intensive/costly, the advantage would clearly be the ability to use metal shells/forming/stamping to which the rivet detail is applied.  I'm more than sure that it's a process that the dexterity of GGD's workers could assimilate easily.  Besides, make a goof?....no problem, remove the strip, re-apply!.

 

Micromark offers this product, also, I believe.

 

Anyhow, just as 3D printing has changed possibilities, I see no reason why the resin rivet waterslide approach wouldn't be worth consideration.

 

And, the more I think about it, if there is a machine that can apply resin 'dots'  (rivets) to a surface, perhaps it's only a short jump to have those dots applied directly to the prepared surface of a metal car shell!  Yes?  No?  Maybe?

 

Oh, well, considering the obvious demand for this sort of a car set, I trust that Scott and crew are thinking of ALL possibilities.

 

FWIW, of course,.......always.

 

KD

I used the Archer rivets on my Seaboard Double-Door Boxcar on the fishbelly sides:

 

 

 

They were not as easy to keep in place as I thought, but did manage to get them to stay.  I applied them before priming the car, so maybe that's where I goofed:

 

 

MicroMarks rivet decals are not from Archer.  It's my understanding they would have liked to carry Archer, but couldn't come to an agreement.

 

Rusty

I did not know about them, and I'm glad you posted because this is just what I needed for something I'm currently working on. Thanks for sharing!

 

 

 

I would sure go for the UP Excursion Train with this Observation Car.

 

Rusty...  You are correct....and I knew that....I crafted a poorly worded sentence....I can easily see how it could be misinterpreted.  My bad.  Thanks for clarifying!

VERY nice, Bob!  A perfect example of what I'm talking about!

 

Re application....I learned from our store 'experts'....military modelers, especially...that applying any decal works best on a glossy coated surface.  In your situation, I would've interpreted that to be a coat of clear gloss on the styrene before applying the Archer Transfers.  After all the transfers had been applied, THEN I would've primed the piece (gray, red...whatever), and then finish painted. 

 

If you had first primed the styrene, then you probably would've had to apply clear gloss over that before applying the transfers.  All of the primers I use end up with a dead flat finish....NOT what you want to be putting waterslide decals onto!!!  They MUST go onto a gloss surface.

 

What these same pros explained is that waterslides have an adhesive layer.  This adhesive does not often bond well...or at all...to parent materials...especially metal, plastics, glass, etc..   The really gutsy pros even go one further step....they free the transfer from the backing paper, carefully turn it over and gently brush/wash the decal adhesive layer from the transfer using distilled water.  Then they apply a brush coat of Future brand wax (clear acrylic coat, really) to the model surface where the decal is to be placed, then apply and float the decal into final position in the still-wet Future and let it dry.  This eliminates any aging discoloration from the decal adhesives on the model.   

 

However, for these resin rivet transfers, the 'Future' step is not really necessary....they'll be painted over typically, and discoloration of the decal adhesive, being beneath the film, will not be an issue. 

 

Regardless, your model is exactly what I'm talking about for making the jump to rivet details on GGD passenger cars....as an option to injection molding.  NICE JOB!!!! 

 

FWIW, always...

 

KD

Scott,if you are monitoring this thread,could you give us a hint or two?  Any ideas would allow The Faithful to start restocking their piggy banks.

 

Norm

Norm,

 

Scott is really busy.  I doubt he has time to sit around and monitor the OGR Forum.  If you want him to read this topic I suggest that you email him a link.  

 

I have done it in the past to bring stuff to his attention and he has responded.

I highly doubt Scott or a close associate doesn't monitor this forum. A responsible business owner always keeps up on his or her market. OGR "3RS" is his market.

I respectfully disagree

I know next to nothing about Chinese labor rates, and less than that about photo etching. However, I do know that aluminum can be photo etched, and that the vaunted Kemtron cars were photo etched instead of embossed.  The only real question is whether it is possible to etch the U shaped extrusion?  I think I shall guess yes.

 

As a further guess, I bet it reduces the cost by fifty bucks a car, as compared to hand- applied decal strips.

Jim,

Scott has replied to this forum on occasion as does a couple of his associates.

It will be interesting to see what comes next,given that the El Capitan was such a monumental work.

Norm

+1

 

I'd buy that in a heartbeat.  I wouldn't be able to reserve fast enough!

       
       


+2

I'm there for each and every set, car, and add on they can come up with for the UP Excursion trains! : )

To repeat,  someone come up with a proposed list of no more than 8 different types of UP excursion train cars, with pics, to Scott.  Erik, this is your cue.  I'm not aware of any of the folks who help Scott with such things, except Erik, who are the least interested in excursion trains, so none of us would have a clue which cars to propose. 

Norm,

    Man I would like to see them produced a high detailed Shay with some serious Logging Rolling Stock, with an old Pa Mountain Railroad name.

PCRR/Dave

Hey guys,what would be the motive power in front of these cars?

Norm

       
       


I will pull all my OMI HO cars and get them photoed. Also try and locate all the individual cars. I would guess Scott would maybe settle on a core set 10 or so. There are at least 30/40 in total. Hot Water could name them all off in memory I'm sure. I would not be interested in a set myself but know how much popularity they have in all the other scales. Hot stuff.

The picture is Chicago union station and the Broadway is leaving as well as the Northcoast Limited sans domes ,(Hint HINT)  in the background is the Hiawatha but I don't think they shared station facilities in Chicago. Please ..Please I don't want to build 4 domes Have one under construction and its enough.. North Coast North Coast!!!!!!

8 or less different types of cars!  Duplicates with different names/numbers OK.  The builder gets very grumpy when you hit 9 and the prices go up exponentially.  That is why you only see 8 different types of cars for the Sunset even though there were 9 different types of cars on the prototype.

I'd be all over that!  Especially with an accurate "Flag" car! 

 

Like I said, I won't be able to reserve fast enough. 

I sure get confused when you guys do that.

 

As near as I can figure, the batch is limited to eight cars of different window/door/dome configuration.  Ask for ten, but you must settle for eight. 

 

Not opinion - extracted from the above concatenated posts.

Personally, I'd love to see an accurate Blue Comet which has never been mass produced in any scale other than 1:1.  My personal agenda is really not to have that set however, but to have the 1950's paint schemes on those cars and locomotives - black locomotives with Miss Liberty on the side and green coaches / combines / observations in "JERSEY CENTRAL LINES". 

 

However should a full Blue Comet be offered I'd be all in.  So tired of the non accurate versions I have in O and HO.

 

The other set I'd like to see is an accurate Silver Meteor.  After all north of DC, GG1s pulled these trains!  A Crescent would be cool too.

Still after a Yellow Kid set!

I doubt it would ever happen, but I would love to see Colorado Railcar products. You could do Alaska Railroad, Rocky Mountaineer, Via Rail, Holland America, Princess Cruise Lines, and Royal Caribbean/ Celebrity Tours.

http://trainprofiles.blogspot....gold-leaf-domes.html

http://trainprofiles.blogspot....alaska-railroad.html

http://trainprofiles.blogspot....r-glacier-domes.html

- I am reading. Listening. Thinking.

Right now, we are finishing up the inspection of the CP P-2 Mikado.

 

Also, the first painting and lettering samples of the F7s will be shown to me this week.

 

The Cinci / Powhatan and Slumber cars are all being produced at the same time. As are the RDC 2nd Run. All will be delivered in October.

 

Thank you all for your suggestions and enthusiasm. Some of the ideas listed above are interesting. 

 

Scott Mann

My vote is for the SF Super Chief cars from the 1950's.  With the new SF F7's coming from both GGD and Atlas I would think they would sell very well both as a stand alone set and as an add on to the GGD El Capitan set.

 

Bob

Do not forget PRR E2b,E3b,& E2c electric engines.

 

mikeg

A complete late 50's deskirted Super Chief could work well. I'm sure it would be popular with the F7's arriving from multiple manufacturers. It could be done in (2) 4 car sets with the second (set B) of the 4 car sets being what is necessary to make up a El Cap / SC combined train. Set A could contain the head end cars and cars not needed for the combined train. This would allow the ability to order a complete "late era" super chief and/or just the second set of cars (set B) necessary to make an El Cap / SC combined train. It could essentially cover 2 trains in one production run and appeal to many more people than just a single train would (while still being accurate for each train).

The only issue I see is the drumhead, which could be solved by having the observation being an extra car ( and not included in "set B"). The observation could have 2 different options (one with the SC drumhead & one with the SC/EL CAP combined drumhead) which would require very little extra effort from the original design. Then one could order the full train (Set A & B) and each drumhead option for the observation cars and be able to have everything covered.

If you really wanted to spice it up. A Santa Fe Big Dome would be an awesome additional car for "extra" cars.

Maybe some rivet counters could chime in and critique my idea.

I think that a rerun of the Super Chief set is a great idea.  I have been looking for the complete set so I would like to see all of the cars produced in the second run.  I do not think that the existing tooling would need to be modified since the first run of Super Chief cars includes 5 skirted cars and 5 "de-skirted" cars, from what I could see in the photos.  So, the GGD Super Chief cars did not really represent 1951 cars, but the later '50's cars with a mix of skirted and de-skirted cars.  The idea of a Set A and Set B with one set containing just the cars needed for the combined train would probably be the best way to market them to both groups, those who want the whole Super Chief train and those who just want the cars for the combined SC/El Cap train.

If less than 12+ people email Scott committing to reserving SC cars it will not not happen and you will never see it advertised anywhere (we're talking dealers as well as individuals here).  If more than 12 people make that commitment then you might see it advertised but if less than ~100 sets are reserved it's no more than a maybe.

 

This is true for a subset or another complete run of SC cars.  The observation would never be an extra car because extras are only copies of other cars already in the set with different markings.

 

There has been a good deal of interest in a big dome car.  GN as well as Santa Fe.  But not even in the same universe as the 1000 car requirement for a standalone car.  A big dome Empire Builder has been floated about but still less than 20 people have shown any positive interest.  A big dome Santa Fe Chief has also been talked about but it is in only a slightly better position than the EB.

       
       


Well, I think the Santa Fe observations were already chopped before the time of the combined Super Chief/El Cap, so the idea should be to just include the observation in the 5 car set not needed for the combined train.  So, all that is needed is a rerun of the complete Super Chief that was done earlier, with the same tooling but just packaging/marketing the sets differently.  Something like:

Set A
Observation
RPO
Baggage
Sleeper
Sleeper

Set B
Dome
Diner
Lounge
Sleeper
Sleeper

You just need to add a drum head to one of the sleepers. The proper drum head

 

       
       


OK.  sdmann@3rdrail.com, got it.  I will send an e-mail on the Super Chief cars.  Hopefully, at least 11 other people will send an e-mail as well.