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I built a working turntable with a pit, for my 027 toy train layout 44 years ago and it is still working.  A recent topic on OGR showed at least four other forumites built a homemade turntable:  D500, George S, Mike CT and Tracker John.

It would be helpful to others if details of how OGR members went about and built their homemade turntables.  I have details on how I made my inexpensive ($10) turntable on my topic below (post 9 on page 1) of how I built my whole layout at link below.

It can be belt driven with a hand crank like mine or can have an old battery driven screw driver as power and the TT can be located anywhere.

https://ogrforum.com/...ra-027-layout?page=1

I have copied that write up below and hope others supply details on their Homemade Turntables.

Charlie

Turntable with pit Construction & Operation - Scratch Built and Inexpensive

The center piece of the layout is the scratch built, inexpensive turntable and roundhouse.  Designing and building the turntable was the most fun part of the whole train layout for me and well worth the time and effort as it provides much operation interest and fun.  The Turntable was built during the initial layout construction in 1977 in Kingston Jamaica.

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The turntable rotates on a 6 inch diameter (8" might be better for a larger TT) lazy Susan ball bearing unit and rotation is by a hand crank driving a pulley beneath the turntable using a spare or used clothes dryer drum belt.  I had a spare dryer belt as I lived overseas and appliance parts are hard to get.  Track alignment is the realistic, "line it by eyeball" method and roundhouse  track selection is by a rotary switch.  A momentary push button switch is used to activate the selected RH track and the TT track.  A light in the TT shack comes on with the activation of the TT track and indicates power is on.  The turntable has a pit as that is more realistic and better looking in my view.  It would have been easier to surface mount a lazy Susan bearing on the train table like the Lionel TT but seeing it made a pit a must have.

Location of the control panel and the turntable should be fairly close to each other for two reasons.  One is the use of a clothes dryer belt will require it to be close.  The other is it is helpful for the engineer to be close at hand to correct derailments and to see the turntable as eyesight is used to align the TT and the tracks.

The turntable can be powered with a motor from an old battery powered electric drill and remotely located from control panel and details are at the end of this write up.


Picture of TT with TT crank (red knob) and Control Panel -  Picture shows the track with crane car and caboose align with the TT and the off trackTrain Lots 5-10-2016 272


Picture of main control panel track diagram with selector rotary switch (black knob with pointer) to select track for transfer of train from TT to spur/roundhouse track.  The black push button momentary switch, below the rotary selector switch, controls power to the selected track and the turntable track.Train Complete 1-17-2015 152


Two pieces of 027 track or 17 5/8 inches was chosen for the turntable bridge length.   17 5/8 inch diameter would handle all of my engines and coal tenders at the time I built it.   Two more inches of length would have been better and handle my later bought larger engines and coal tenders but space was at a premium   I cut a  17 5/8 inch diameter circle in my train board using a sabre saw and used the ¾ inch thick, 17 5/8 inch diameter cutout wooden disk as a pulley by adding a rim of 1/8 inch Masonite around both edges as pulley flanges sticking out about ½ an inch.  

I did most of the work on the TT with my train board section standing on edge, leaning against a wall.  To build a TT for an existing permanent layout on legs would require lots of work under the table and looking up.  In such a case one might want to build a two foot square or so module to construct the TT and install as a unit.

A recessed ring around the turntable hole, about 1&1/2 inch deep, was installed on the bottom of the hole and a 1/2" plywood bottom was added.  A 3/8" hole was centered in both TT bottom and the pulley.   A 2"x 2" x 3/4 inch block was drilled in the center to take a 3/8 threaded hollow lamp rod.  The block and rod were mounted about 1 inch from the rods end and drilled for a 2 inch long finish nail.  The block was glued and screwed to the pulley in the center.

A 6" lazy Susan ball  bearing (Ace or Home Depot for $4) was screwed to the top of the pulley.  Four 1 inch diameter holes were drilled through the pulley for the screws on the other flange of 6” lazy Susan bearing.  These holes allow the bearing to be screwed to the underside of the pit bottom.

The lazy Susan bearing will hold all the weight of the pulley and take the side thrust from the clothes dryer belt.  The 3/8” threaded hollow lamp rod allows thin, flexible twin wire to feed power to the TT bridge and to secure the bridge to the pulley beneath the TT pit.

The 3/8" dia. threaded hollow lamp rod was installed through the pulley and the rod was pinned block on the pulley with a nail.  The rod was measured to the length needed to go through the pulley, block, TT bottom and to the top of the TT bridge minus a ¼ inch, sawed off, and a hole drilled through the bridge to be able to pin the rod to the TT bridge to be built.

A pair of wires were run up through the 3/8" dia threaded hollow lamp rod and soldered to the outside and middle rail of the track that was put on the TT bridge.  Some slack was left in the wire and a type of disconnect like a plug or spring clips ( I used two electrical connectors cut from old 9v batteries) was installed to allow removal of wire to unwind the wire if it gets twisted too much (I also try not to keep going is one direction too much!)



Picture of 17 5/8"dia. Pulley under Turntable with Clothes Dryer Belt and wires from TT BridgeIMG_0006


I used a spare electric clothes dryer belt that is about 3/8" wide and 1/8"thick and about 8 to 10 feet in total length (not diameter).  This is the size of most any make of clothes dryer.  The belt  is super strong as after all it must apply power to 20 pounds plus of wet cloths in dryer drum from the motor to the drum.  

I made a hand crank out of a 6" long 1/4" carriage bolt as the driving pulley with disk and knob held on to the disk with a Tee nut and locking nut as the crank.   I used over sized Tee nuts for shaft sleeves for the shaft, top and bottom.  A small pulley was made for the shaft from a ¼ inch ID radio shaft coupling and two brass grommets soldered together to make a Vee to give more bite on the belt by the small shaft.  This Vee is necessary to keep the belt from slipping on the small diameter shaft of the crank and also make the diameter larger than the shaft.



Picture of Hand Crank Vee pulley made from radio tuner shaft coupling (seen with the set screws showing) and brass grommetsIMG_0024



I made a 2" dia. take up pulley assembly and used a threaded rod to move it to make and adjust the tension in the dryer belt. The threaded rod was installed on the 1"x6" edge of the train board near the control panel.  I installed a 3" dia. pulley to make an S in the belt routing to allow belt tensioning.  A 2” dia. pulley was used to make the belt stay about  ½ inch apart after coming of the ½ inch Vee pulley on the hand crank to insure good 180 degree contact with the Vee pulley.  Pulleys are made from 1/2 inch plywood with flanges of 1/8 inch Masonite having polyethylene next to wood from coffee can lids.



Picture of Belt Routing - Belt length total is 8 to 10 ft not diameter on drawing.

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Picture of Pulleys and Belt - Tension adjuster on bottom belt with wood box with metal strap, the hand crank with Vee pulley is to the left of the picture.  The two pulleys force the belt to have maximum contact around the Vee pulley (180 degrees).IMG_0019


A turntable bridge was made out of wood and the bridge was pinned to the 3/8" dia threaded lamp rod with a finishing nail.  The 3/8” dia threaded lamp rod is anchored to the bottom of the 17 5/8“  pulley and on top of the TT bridge with two 3/8" dia lamp round thumb nuts.

Small wheels were made for the ends of the Turntable Bridge to transfer the weight of the bridge and locomotive with coal tender to floor of the TT pit  (I used some small ball bearings I had for wheels).



See picture of the TT bridge wheels (note the Sharpie pen ties and rail on the floor of the TT pit ! ) Turntable Detalils 5-29-2016 2016-05-24 005



Wiring of the Turntable and Round House/Spur Tracks

Tracks were added to store trains around the TT being careful of spacing between tracks.  The tracks were wired to a Radio Shack rotary 10 position switch to select the track to be powered.  A momentary contact push button switch (with black push button) was installed on the control panel and wired in series to allow the selected track and turntable bridge track to only be powered when this switch is held down.

The turntable track and all the Round House/stall tracks have common outside rails.  The center rails of the Round House/stall tracks are each wired individually to a spot on the rotary selector switch on the control panel (see Picture below)  thus allowing only one stall track to get power at a time.



Turntable Operation

Once the RH track is selected, pushing down the momentary black push button switch on the control panel allows that track and the TT track are wired for the red lighted LW trans on the right to control the engine to go from the inside loop, over the TT and into that elected stall.

I do not have a diagram.  All of the center rails of the stall and TT track are wired to the 10 position rotary switch and the black push button switch.  The other terminal of the black push button switch is wired to the output of the Red lighted LW trans.  When the TT track and selected stall track are activated by the momentary switch and power from the Red LW is applied, a light comes on in the little house on the TT to indicate power is on the TT.

The Red lighted Trans always controls the stall tracks, TT track and all of the inside loop on the main board.  It also is wired to all switches on the inside loop of the main board.



Picture Below:

See the RH track selector switch with black pointer knob:   Black push button switch that must be pushed for power to go to selected RH track and turntable is below the black knob on track to TT.  Red and green buttons are for switches and blue are uncoupling track sections.  Black slide switches turn on and off the section of track they are on.  The black slide switches show "white" on and "black" off.  All tracks are blocked and controlled by a slide switch.  All rail switches are always hot or on.

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With the selector switches above the red lighted LW transformer can also control the outside loop of the main board as another selection or it can control the outside loop of main board and the new train board thus giving it control of every piece of track on the whole board.


Note on picture below, that one track aligns with the TT and the approach track.  This is the only track that a wrecker caboose and crane car can be sent over the TT and be stored around the TT.  I made sure to leave this track outside of my future Round house to be built and detailed later.

Picture of Track that will allow work caboose and crane car to be stored Turntable Detalils 5-29-2016 2016-05-24 009


I added details like the lighted TT operator shack, ladders on the bridge to the pit made from cut up N gauge track ties (remove the rails and cut out with every other tie), a TT bridge central tower for overhead wire with ladder, pigeons and poop, and Sharpie penned in rail and ties in the TT pit.

TT bridge has 1/8 inch smooth Masonite deck, grooved with knife to look like wood planks and painted buff to look like wood.  Some sieved coarse sand was glued into the pit bottom.

Picture of Turntable with center mast and ladder, exposed ties, birds, and pit trackTurntable Detalils 5-29-2016 2016-05-24 010



A close up of TT power tower and pigeons, ladders were made from plastic ties from N gauge track with every other tie cut out with X-acto knife or diagonal pliers

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A TT control cable tower was made from wood and a TT operator shack were made later to add important detail to the TT Bridge.  Also note the wooden support beams for the TT decking and ladders.

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This project takes time, planning and careful measurements to make it all work.  Care must be given to aligning and screwing down the tracks so derailments are few or at least blamed on the TT operator !

To summarize:

A great operating turntable with pit can be built for $10 and using only a hand held jig or saber saw, 1/4 inch electric drill and soldering gun

The turntable can be made for any gauge trains and any size, all up to the builder.

The TT really did cost me less than $10 since I had a spare clothes dryer belt.  You could get a belt from a junked dryer, as a used belt is plenty good for this.  Buy a new one for your current dryer and use the old one for the TT !

The turntable uses an inexpensive, easy to find lazy Susan ball bearing unit to provide smooth and accurate rotation of the turntable.  A used clothes dryer belt provide rotation of the turntable via a hand crank for my turntable.


Remote or Power Operation of this Turn Table

If you do not want to place the TT close to the edge of your layout and be restricted by location due to the length of the clothes dryer belt one can power the turntable with a used DC electric drill or screw driver motor.  The drill motor could be powered with a small cheap HO DC transformer in both directions.  This would be easy to power the TT with a shorter belt and pulley on the drill and the the TT could be located anywhere on your layout.

The  TT has worked well since 1977 or almost 39 years and is very reliable.  It would not turn in 2015 and after investigation the cause was a broken solder joint on one of the grommets on the Vee pulley.  The original was soldered with a 100 watt soldering gun (the only soldering tool I had) and it lasted 38 years.  I re-soldered the Vee with a propane torch, with a soldering iron tip, that gets much hotter.

Post 11 shows how I built a $10 Roundhouse.



Charlie

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Coach Joe

Thanks for the question.  The small pulleys have three purposes.

The one on the left, as shown on the Picture of Belt Routing diagram, is for adjusting the tension of the belt.  It is a 2" dia. take up pulley assembly and used a threaded rod to move it to make and adjust the tension in the dryer belt.  The screw head of the rod come through the base of the layout and can be turned with a screw driver for adjustment.

The center 3" dia. pulley was installed to make an S in the belt routing to allow belt tensioning.  It also was positioned to take up excess belt length and positioned to a make 180 degree contact with the crank shaft (with small Vee pulley on shaft, shown in a picture)  turning the TT with the crank shaft crank wheel with red knob on the control panel.

The pulley on the right is to also make 180 degree contract with the shaft (with small Vee pulley on shaft) turning the TT.

Charlie

@Craftech posted:

Hi Lou,

Can  you give more detail about the build like Charlie did if you don't mind?

Thanks,

John

It's pretty easy. You need:

Three 32"X32" sheets of 1/2" plywood

One 30" long piece of 3/4" plywood

scraps of 1/4" plywood

One slip ring connector

One 8" round lazy Susan bearing

1/4" sheet cork

track of your choice

circle of 027 rack

balsa wood to make the side of the turntable deck whatever you want it to be.

Assembly:

Cut a 30" diameter hole in the center of two of the 32"X32" sheets.

Screw the two pieces of plywood with the holes, on top of each other, to the 32"X32" piece of plywood. The solid piece is the base of the pit.

Drill a hole in the center of the pit for the slip ring connector wires to pass through.

Drill a hole in the center of the 3/4" plywood that's the base of your bridge for the wires from the slip ring connector to pass through to the track that gets mounted on the bridge.

Mount some scraps of 1/4" plywood at each end of the bridge. These will ride on the pit rails, so make them large enough to come in from the edge of the bridge about 4 inches.

Center the lazy Susan bearing on the bridge (must be centered end to end as well as side to side) and mount, using thin washers between the top of the bearing and the bridge.

Pull the outer rails from a circle of 027 track. Glue/tack/screw (whatever you want) the ring to the pit, as close to centered as you can.

Mount the bridge to the turntable pit using the lazy Susan bearing. Bridge has to be dead center. Rotate bridge to make sure it is centered and clears the pit walls.

Mount slip ring connector under pit. Run wires up to bridge. Mount track. connect wires.

Make a ring of 1/4" cork around the pit to connect lead tracks to.

Done. Decorate bridge and pit as you see fit.

@Lou1985 posted:

It's pretty easy. You need:

Three 32"X32" sheets of 1/2" plywood

One 30" long piece of 3/4" plywood

scraps of 1/4" plywood

One slip ring connector

One 8" round lazy Susan bearing

1/4" sheet cork

track of your choice

circle of 027 rack

balsa wood to make the side of the turntable deck whatever you want it to be.

Assembly:

Cut a 30" diameter hole in the center of two of the 32"X32" sheets.

Screw the two pieces of plywood with the holes, on top of each other, to the 32"X32" piece of plywood. The solid piece is the base of the pit.

Drill a hole in the center of the pit for the slip ring connector wires to pass through.

Drill a hole in the center of the 3/4" plywood that's the base of your bridge for the wires from the slip ring connector to pass through to the track that gets mounted on the bridge.

Mount some scraps of 1/4" plywood at each end of the bridge. These will ride on the pit rails, so make them large enough to come in from the edge of the bridge about 4 inches.

Center the lazy Susan bearing on the bridge (must be centered end to end as well as side to side) and mount, using thin washers between the top of the bearing and the bridge.

Pull the outer rails from a circle of 027 track. Glue/tack/screw (whatever you want) the ring to the pit, as close to centered as you can.

Mount the bridge to the turntable pit using the lazy Susan bearing. Bridge has to be dead center. Rotate bridge to make sure it is centered and clears the pit walls.

Mount slip ring connector under pit. Run wires up to bridge. Mount track. connect wires.

Make a ring of 1/4" cork around the pit to connect lead tracks to.

Done. Decorate bridge and pit as you see fit.

Thanks Lou.   This is a great thread.

John

I used a slip ring like this:

Taidacent 3 Wires 4 Wires 5A 10A 15A 30A Electrical Slip Ring Collector Ring Rotary Electrical Contact Joint Rotary Connector Commutator (3 Wires 15A Diameter 22mm) - - Amazon.com

It's very much over kill with a 10 amp rating. I was just going for 18-16 gauge leads. Just use 2 of the 3 wires (one for power, one for ground) and you're good. I mounted it directly under the center of the pit and ran the wires up to the turntable. I'd post a picture but I'd have to disassemble the turntable, which I'd rather not do . It's pretty self explanatory once you have the slip ring connector in your hands.

Also before anyone asks I used this lazy Susan bearing: Amazon.com: HLMOptimo Lazy Susan Bearing 8 inch Aluminum Turntable Ball Bearing, Heavy Duty Turner Bearing Silent Turntable Bearing Swivel Turntable Bearing 8/10/12/14 inch (8 inch): Home & Kitchen

I have found a slip ring connector is not necessary to supply power to the turntable bridge.  For 44 years, the same simple short piece of flexible twin conductor wire fed up the center of the turn table bridge, has worked well.  I have disconnected it to unwind it about 3 times in the 44 years as a precaution.  The cost of the scrap wire was low too, being zero and the time for installation was low too, a few minutes.

Most of my turntable use involves moving from and to a TT stall or track.  The number of times I turn a locomotive around are fewer and average about even to direction of the turns so the wire do not get twisted in one direction very much.

Charlie

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@Lou1985 posted:

I made a 30" turntable I spin by hand. Cost ~$80. Most expensive parts were the 8" lazy Susan bearing and the slip ring connector. The rest is all plywood or bass wood and a pit rail made from 027 track. Fits a scale Lionel SP AC9 no problem.

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I like. If I ever build another one (I won't) I will use your philosophy. Mine, below, is motorized and scratch-built. Truly maddening project. Should have bought one - or kept it simpler. I could have reached the turntable easily for manual operation.

Interestingly, I used my SP AC-9 as my "gotta fit" loco guide. I believe that my table is 33".

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@D500 posted:

I like. If I ever build another one (I won't) I will use your philosophy. Mine, below, is motorized and scratch-built. Truly maddening project. Should have bought one - or kept it simpler. I could have reached the turntable easily for manual operation.

Interestingly, I used my SP AC-9 as my "gotta fit" loco guide. I believe that my table is 33".

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I went the manual route as I have to stand next to the turntable to operate the whisker track toggle switches anyway. I have the remote in my hand to operate the locomotive so having a motorized turntable was unnecessary for me. I can spin it by hand easy, so why take the extra effort to motorize it. If it was far from a layout edge the motorization would be mandatory, but for my situation it wasn't.

My turntable is 30" instead of 33" because I didn't mind if the front or rear of a locomotive hung off a bit, as long as the wheel base fit. I actually wish I had made it slightly larger (32" or 33") so I could turn an AA or AB set of Alco PAs. The 30" turntable is slightly too short to do that.

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