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How many others are like me? I planned/designed my layout carefully, but have done four "cataclysmic" (my wife's word) modifications in six years, each involving considerable re-work.  Now, only six years into it, less than 40% of the track I initially put down is still in place although 85% of the original benchtop is still there.  The layout was improved each time, a combination of “I figured out how to fit more in the same space,” and “my tastes/priorities have changed.”

 

Is this common, or am I in a small a minority?  Do most people pretty much stick to the tracks and buildings and landscape they originally designed and built, only fine tuning them, (until they perhaps just completely start over (something i think I would never do))?  Or do most [people majorly revise their layout from time to time. 

 

- - - - - That is my basic question.  I’m interested in any comments – below are details about my changes each time. - - - - 

 

My layout fits in a 26 x 15 foot room and has never varied in being right at 292 sq feet of benchtop although I have moved where my walk through aisles are, etc. on three occasions.

 

I completed my first layout of track, etc., in March '06, and the latest change this past Sunday. 

 

This change moved (removed, built new) ten square feet of benchtop, moved 31 feet of track, added (or will add - some yet to put down) 91 feet of Superstreets, removed/replaced twenty square feet of hillside and scenery-vegetation etc., and relocated five buildings, with the cleanup filling two industrial trash bags and using up three shop vac filters. 

 

 

Each rebuild has increased four counts and a decreased in one: here are the net increases with the counts initially and after each change

400% increase in number of times a track crosses under another:  3, 5, 9, 11, 15

137% increase in feet of Superstreets track: 64, 43, 52, 56, 62+90 yet to finish

75% increase in the number of separately controlled loops of track/streets: 4,6,5,6,8

21% increase in feet of mainline train track, from 268 feet (three loops) to 324 feet (four loops)

33% decrease in feet of track in trainyards:  from 70 to 47

 

During all this, what as not changed is that all the track is Fastrack, my largest loop is all 72" or larger curves, but second largest 60"+, and all other loops are down to the smallest diameter Fastrack of Superstreets permits.

 

The only change in my skills during this time that I see is that I am much better at using the third dimension: initially I had two lolops that stuck to their "own" level, two going under the third for a tital of three criss crosses.  Now, every one of my eight loops goes up and down and under and over several other loops, for 15.   I had N gauge layout(s) for 20 years but that scale never challenged me to learn to use the third dimension  like O has. 

 

The only change in my tastes I see is that I am much more into Superstreets now than initially and I have little interest in a trainyards. 

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Lee,

I usually phase the railroad until I am sure things are permanent. Use lots of mock-ups before scenery is started or complete. I have constantly ripped up track and relaid track for better clearances.

I have a double deck layout, so yes space is limited and upper loops help run longer trains.

I use sectional track to help me from not cheating on the minimum radius. After the track plan is roughed in I use gargraves custom bent to put easements into the curves.

 

It does not mater what you model, it seems improvements can always be made.

Hi Lee,

First I like to say what a great job on the Ogauge Mag article!

 

 

  IMHO, it dosnt matter how much planning you do, if anything, as far as track work and scenery ,you should start with your basic idea get it close to what your original plan is.Visionaries have to SEE it in there mind before anything and then compare it to the ongoing progress..LOL.And doing some reworking is part of that process.

 

So im with you on completely redoing a section to suite your taste.Sometimes that includes doing LESS in some areas than more.

Why throw  more unsatisfactory over top of other unsatisfactory.The pursuit of perfection.

 

 

Beside when is a layout really finished?

The topic had me thinking how many layouts are unchanged since their original construction as far as track placement, or the style? I wonder if they are in the minority? I know that I did a complete tear out one year ago and the rebuilt layout is more satisfying to operate but I am always looking at it with a critical eye and asking myself what if I did this or that? It's been said before a layout is never done, and I enjoy the redoing as much as I do operating, while the footprint is unchanged. I think I am done with changes..but I never say never, based on experience. Sometimes I have just become bored with the configuration. I admire those who met their goals the first time around..but I can't imagine there are many, but of course, I don't know..

Hi Lee,

 

I'm sure that there are many people out there who either change their layouts from time to time or even take them down completely and start over again.

 

When building my layout I started with a simple 4x8 platform. When I decided to enlarge the layout I just added onto the original 4x8 until I now have an 8x16 layout.

We still make changes to the layout in terms of adding animations or operating accessories to replace static items on the layout. The track plan has not changed but the scenery and accessories has.

 

I know a couple of people who enjoy building a seasonal layout and make subtle changes every year. I envy them the energy and enthusiasm to do this.

 

You are the owner of the layout so you get to call the shots. If you enjoy rebuilding than that's a part of the hobby you should be doing. It would be rare for someone to thoroughly plan out a layout in advance, build it to their ideal desires and never make any changes or improvements to the layout.

 

I would guess that most of us are always looking for ways to make changes, upgrades or even add new scenery to our layouts.

 

Steve Tapper

 

 

Lee, I must have gone through at least 30 track plan variations (major and minor) of my PRR Panhandle before starting on the benchwork.  And then I made a bunch of modifications as I progressed.  Things like clearances, practicality, reach, and of course, personal preferences all were learned by trial and error.

 

I am currently in the process of improving (tearing up and redoing) some of the track I laid 4 years ago.  I can no longer live with the problematic performance.

 

Long story to get to a short answer:  NO, you are not alone.

 

George

I haven't torn anything apart (per-se), but I have been taking my own sweet time about building. I finished my train room 6/10 and am just now building benchwork. As for the layout, I stopped counting the layout revisions. The latest change includes a John Allen inspired "Timesaver" section laid out with FasTrack 072 WYEs. It replaces my planned storage yard. The theme for this is "The Story of Beer". I'm also building a portable Timesaver constructed with Atlas WYEs for display with my club's modular layout.

 

Had I built what I originally designed, there would have been a lot of tearing up and doing over through the years. I credit much of this to RR Track. Design it, look at it, see something better, change it (again and again).

 

Gilly

 

Last edited by Gilly@N&W

I've finalized my layout a number of times, only to decide that I want to add more to it!

 

Here's a couple of pic of the evolution of my layout:

 

 

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next:

 

 

Its been pretty easy to add onto a tabletop layout.  The next change will be the most drastic of my changes as I pull up the O-54/O-63 double-main to lay down O-72/O-80 track.

 

Jim

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