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I have a favorite 0-8-0 LionChief rtr starter set engine with one of the small flat side starter set motors, (the same motor that's in the Harry Potter Hogwarts conventional loco.) The motor on this LionChief engine has enough power to pull the three freight cars that come with the set but not many more than that. My question is, "If I were to buy a second one of the same LionChief rtr starter sets and doublehead those two engines would I get only twice the pulling power of one of those  engines running alone, (adequate for six or so freight cars)  or more pulling power than that?" My goal is to be able to pull between 10 to 15 freight cars. Hopefully someone on this forum has run two of the same LionChief engines doubleheaded and can share their results and experiences.

I should clarify the set I'm talking about is a Christmas fantasy set Lionel made for Hallmark called the Toymaker Santa Express  with a stunning dazzling red metallic finish and whimsical puffing smoke rings which to me provides the perfect atmosphere and flair to holiday displays. (Why, considering the positive impressions people have of this set's shiny bright metallic finish, that Lionel has not capitalized on such positive impressions and used similar metallic finishes for its holiday sets is puzzling to me, but I digress).

I purchased this set for $199 after Christmas last year and need to know if a second set's engine would allow me to pull a consist of 10 to 15 freight cars. Please don't suggest I buy a second one of these rtr sets to experiment to find the results for myself since that second set would cost significantly more than I paid last year and it wouldn't be economically feasible to spend that money if adding a second locomotive won't meet my needs of providing at least twice the pulling power of using a single engine.

Btw, if you're curious  about this Hallmark set, here are three links to You Tube videos showing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LOb1Jmg0Dk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPZtUYDYxCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtVS-xZidA

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Next question: How much power are you able to feed the track? And why do you say it can only pull 4 cars? Stall? Wheel spin?

My only really negative thought would be how to sync throttles? A common transmitter frequency? If they are close in speed and the way they react , I'd say why not? But you really won't know until the two sit side by side somewhere.

  I don't know about double the max cars. I never ran that kinda test double heading very seriously. Teaming two Generals got me what I wanted length wise and that was enough. Plus I like the look. I think I did get an an extra car per loco advantage; I not sure though. Im not pushing the max per loco so they will last, and I didn't loose ability...except the smoke units suffer a tad on only 90-100w. (Mind you theses are pulmor, and I can always go to more power)

 But this it was enough to learn that yanking the #2s pilot beam sideways isn't great for holding track. A coupler shafts pivot point should ideally be where it does the least pulling to the side.

   Being an 0-8-0 it does have a long wheel base to counter it, but its overhang might cause the coupler to be off center in curves. That whole mess comes into play on loco lateral shifts within the tracks gauge from that off center pull on the coupler generating the shift from a long way off, giving it leverage. Couplers set up with the articulations meant to keep the coupling centered and ballanced front to rear is ideal. Hopefully that was done.

   That's what happened with the General FROM THE PILOT BEAM. I then tried coupling to the pilot truck, and that worked to keep the body from being forced around, and the drivers with it, by keeping the coupling articulations close to gauge center via wheels, and actual pull happening closer to the drivers pivot, where it has less leverage. You might need weights added to the #1 tender. I put the stronger, faster reacting engine to the rear to lessen the #2 pilot's side pull maximum possibilities. Its smoother starts that way IMO.

All that said: You should be able to tell how yours might fare. Put the loco on your tightest curve and couple the tender on up front like your running a DH. Check swing at the steps and stops, run it. Heck use a bread tie and couple a train on the tender and run it cab forward as a test.  If its a teathered unit and wont run unteathered, just push and pull on the tender while checking to make sure nothing binds at all side to side, at the knuckles or shifts excessively. If it does well with a strong pulls at the nose, you are OK in that respect.

You could also do a static curve test with a car up front and the tender at the rear and pulling in opposite dicrictions while trying to wiggle and shake the engine into a derail. It will likely happen easier in motion.

 

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