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Although no shelf life in listed on lubricants such as grease and oil. I wouldn't advise using any that have been sitting around too long since the chemicals in all lubricants break down over town. Of course how quickly they break down depends on the conditions under which they've been stored such as temperature, etc.. Bottom line is new is better than old.

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It is a good lubricant as long as it is still semi fluid and has not lost too much oil. It was intended to be a very oily grease to provide oil to rotating shaft bearings.  Today synthetic oils probably accomplish the same thing with less mess.  I think the Red n Tacky grease will do a better job on gears. It stays in place better than other greases.  The old Lionel grease is not a food grade grease like some of the white lithium greases are, so do not eat it and keep it away from small children.  

Frankly, I'm stunned that the OP has a tube of PW grease in a tube that isn't as hard as a rock.  I have an original LIONEL maintenance kit that came in a lidded box and the tube of grease in it has been rock hard for decades.

When I asked about grease for PW LIONEL locos a year or so ago, lots of recommendations for RnT and that's what I went with--I'm satisfied with my choice.

 

 

Frankly, I'm stunned that the OP has a tube of PW grease in a tube that isn't as hard as a rock.  I have an original LIONEL maintenance kit that came in a lidded box and the tube of grease in it has been rock hard for decades

I think that most of the tubes of postwar Lionel grease that I have are fine. I have some postwar American Flyer grease that is fine too. I think I'd be pressed to find one that wasn't. As I posted above, I would not use either.

I have some preserved lubricant sealed on baby food jars from the 1960s. It's preserved, but I wouldn't use it, and I doubt it has any value.

Unused tubes of Lionel lubricant #925 have some value. I'd say around $10 per tube. (That is the large tube, Lionel made a few different sizes)
They were made three ways:

silver colored metal  threaded cap
blue plastic slip on cap
black plastic slip on cap

They were sold loose from counter top displays, and in the 1960's they were sold on blister packs (carded). Those counter top displays and blister packs are considered fairly desirable by those who are into that sort of thing. From what I see, prices are still strong on them.

I remember buying those tubes of lubricant when I was a kid. Somehow they always burst open on me.

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Lenny the Lion posted:

I've used the old stuff on my postwar trains, the tubes I own never seem to harden. So no problems to report. If the lubricant is still soft and the tubes aren't in collector condition, then why not use them?

That's been my approach so far - I haven't used it on anything except stuff it was made for...seems as good as the day it was made!

I appreciate all the replies here - I just didn't want to start using it on newer trains - and have gears dissolve - or something!

I'm familiar with the call for Red/Tacky - so will stock up on that eventually!

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I have question about using Red n Tacky grease. I have used it on occasion for motor drive gears like in the gang car. What amount should I use to keep it running smoothly. It seemed to  that just putting a dab in the gearing didn't lub the heavy gears very well. 

Now I am getting ready to cleanup our club 397 coal loader that gets a lot of use from visitors.   I have not found any helpful guidance on line and I don't want to under lub or over the grs. I would like to do it  without wondering if it's done correctly. 

So question is: what are the member recommendations? 

I hope I am in the right place to ask this question.

Thanks again people. 🤗

Bob C.

 

 

 

When I grease with red n tacky, if it is a closed gear box, like the 397, I clean all the old grease off, then fill the gap between the teeth full with grease. Same with the worm. After all the gears are lubed this way I reassemble and let normal operation expel any extra grease. On open gears, like on a parallel plate steam locomotive motor, I use just enough grease that all the teeth have a “wet” look.  

Lenny the Lion posted:

I've used the old stuff on my postwar trains, the tubes I own never seem to harden. So no problems to report. If the lubricant is still soft and the tubes aren't in collector condition, then why not use them?

I can think of a lot of reasons, besides deterioration (all lubricants break down over time, it is one of the reasons they tell you to change your car oil after X months, even if you have low mileage), oxidation happens, etc. The biggest reason is that lubricants have come a long way since the 1950's or 60's, whether synthetic or oil based, products like Red N tacky, Labelle 106, synthetic oil like mobil 1, are going to work better and last longer. I more than understand the idea of 'wasting' something, but given the relative low cost of lubricants (think how little oil or grease you use each time), it just isn't worth it on any level, even on a nostalgia basis it doesn't pass muster IMO. 

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