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When did k line update the 4-6-2? I have two, one with a closed cowcatcher that is pretty much a Marx 333 with a can motor, electronic e unit, and smoke, and the other engine is a 3017 has an open cowcatcher, wider cab and the drive wheels are about .125" taller and they set the wheels higher in the frame, because you can't see the gears like you can in the earlier models (3003). It's almost like it's a deluxe version of the same engine. Even the tender is longer and looks better. The earlier 3003 looks right at home with the Marx scale tender and cars, but the 3017 looks out of place with the cab being wider than the die cast tender. The 3017 also has a on/off switch for the smoke unit that the 3003 doesn't have. The smoke stack has a rim around the top where the 3003 is just straight up. Does anyone have any information on when k line made these changes? It's almost like it's made more to 0/27 or even 0 gauge, where the 3003 is perfect for the 3/16 Marx cars.

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Personally I think the '99 version is better-looking.  I had a Marx 333 growing up, and the small, widely-spaced drivers always bothered me a little.  The newer version also benefits from a metal eccentric crank linkage, and that's a good thing, because the plastic one on the '93 model is prone to breaking.

One improvement I *wish* they made, but they didn't, is adding a flywheel.  I don't recommend this loco for kids, or for use with any transformer having a "direction" button.  If power is cut it will stop abruptly, derailing the train, and maybe cutting a burr into the worm wheel.  The lack of coasting is a real shame, because it has a nice modest speed range that makes it great for small layouts.

@Ted S posted:

Personally I think the '99 version is better-looking.  I had a Marx 333 growing up, and the small, widely-spaced drivers always bothered me a little.  The newer version also benefits from a metal eccentric crank linkage, and that's a good thing, because the plastic one on the '93 model is prone to breaking.

One improvement I *wish* they made, but they didn't, is adding a flywheel.  I don't recommend this loco for kids, or for use with any transformer having a "direction" button.  If power is cut it will stop abruptly, derailing the train, and maybe cutting a burr into the worm wheel.  The lack of coasting is a real shame, because it has a nice modest speed range that makes it great for small layouts.

Worm gear drive at work with the grinding to a halt/stopping-in-its tracks action. I've seen a couple of those at shows with a low price tag - when those are at a bargain price I'll wager it was pushed by someone expecting it to coast or roll like spur gear drive models can do. I never got adventurous and bought one to figure out what got damaged by someone's ol' 0-5-0 trying to push it down the tracks - my guess would be a nylon gear getting stripped loose. They do look nice pulling Marx 3/16ths O gauge tin litho cars from the 40s and 50s (the Marx 333 or K-Line's revived version with the updated worm gear drive),

I do like the bigger drivers. however, I wish they hadn't widened the cab.. don't get me wrong, it looks great pulling regular 0-0/27, but with the scale Marx cars it looks out of place. Both of these are great runners, and I didn't know that they had a worm gear drive. I would like to install LED lights in both for the headlight, marker lights and number boards.

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