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My new Lionel Legacy 4-8-4 GS-2 Daylight, with absolutely no intervention on my part or anybody else’s, and in a span of 15 start-ups or attempted start-ups, went from completely inoperable to fully functional.

 

To make a long story short, initially the GS-2 came alive immediately upon track power being turned on with the RUN/PGM switch in the PGM position. I tried the RUN position once after the PGM position had failed five times, but it did not make any difference.  Of course, the engine coming alive on its own when powered up makes it impossible to program it with a new engine ID. 

 

On the seventh try, however, I powered up the track and the GS-2 remained dormant, so I was able to program it with engine ID 15, and it blew the whistle once. Great, I thought; but when I went to load the module after moving the switch to the RUN position, it again came alive when the track was powered up. Frustrated, I called Lionel the next morning - yesterday.

 

With the Customer Service Rep on the line, I again tried to program the GS-2 as the CSR suggested. As soon as I applied power to the track, the GS-2 came alive, and the CSR heard it, so she told me to send to Lionel for repair.

 

I let the engine set on the track for several hours, and when I was ready to package it, I decided to give it one more try. Lo and behold, with the switch again in the PGM position, the engine did not come alive when I powered the track, and I was able to program it again with ID 15, which may have constituted a reset, and I even loaded the module without any problem.

 

I ran the engine several times back and forth over a 60-foot stretch of track, and although it ran, it did not respond well to the commands. This included the whistle, the direction control, and the smoke. Sometimes it was OK, but other times it ignored the commands. The speed control was mostly OK, but not as ‘crisp’ as it should be.

 

I powered it up and down several more times, and only one more time the GS-2 came alive immediately when power was applied. So I powered it down and back up, and it has not ‘acted up’ anymore since.

 

The commands started to be responsive after about three, five-minute runs, but the smoke still did not respond. It would not always come on, and the two times it did come on, I was not able to shut it off. So I let the engine sit for a few more hours, and then ran it late last night without problems; other than the smoke, that is

 

This morning I ran it again, and it was perfect – including the smoke! The smoke turned on and off on command. I have run it eight more times since then, five to 10 minute runs, and it has been perfect every time.

 

A few months ago I had a little problem with a Legacy AT&SF Northern (6-11332) not responding to commands initially, but this went away on its own rather quickly. However, I have never had any problems programming a new Legacy engine with its proper ID number, and this one happens to be my 12th such engine.

 

I know that some mechanical items sometimes need a period of breaking-in, but I have not heard of an electronics item requiring breaking in. Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas of what may have caused the GS-2 to be so obstinate initially?

 

Thanks for reading.

 

Alex

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". . . something is loose inside" - I agree, John; that would make sense. And I did have to pick it up and turn it over each of the many times I changed the RUN/PGM switch position. But once it started running OK, it has remained on the track, and as I said, eventually became totally responsive to all commands. (Just watch - next time I try it, it won't work right.)

 

I hesitate to go through the hassle and expense of sending it in and that they may not find the problem. Then again, if something is loose, they may well find it.

 

With this in mind, would you send it to Lionel, or wait a while and see if the problem resurfaces?

 

Thx!

 

Alex

You've got a year, keep it for a while and run it. As they say, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". No point in sending it in for them to test it and say its O.K.

 

Make a note somewhere so you don't forget when you purchased it, keep the reciept handy and if it acts up 9 months from now send it in.

 

You could drop an email to the tech support mention the problem and see if  MR or one of his techs can shed some light on a potential cause.

 

With all do respect, the "customer service lady" is not a repair tech which is why I typically  email at the lionel.com  "service/repair question" link.

 

 The nature of the answers I've  gotten gave me the impression that either MR or his crew answer these emails, not just following a checklist/protocol like the "customer service lady."

I had the exact same issue. I took my loco to Chuck Sartor at 'O'nly 3 Rail in Denver. I had him remove the shell and check to see if anything was loose. He did not notice anything obvious but just checking and touching to make sure everything was tight inside solved the problem. I think these locos really got hammered in shipping, this is the second one I have received with this problem.

Originally Posted by drgwdavid:
Originally Posted by jojofry:

Your are powering the legacy base before you power the track..

Unfortunately, yes. I wish the fault was mine. It's not me, I have many Legacy steam and diesel engines. I know how to set an ID#. Seems like a shipping issue.

Yes, same here. When I turn the master power on, the Legacy base, two TIU's, and power distribution relays (track blocks) come on. Then, I turn on the two Z4000's and the ZW-L. This has worked fine all along, it is still working now, and it is how I have assigned (programmed) a new engine ID to my other 11 Lionel engines; 10 Legacy and 1 TMCC.

 

RickO, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". That came to my mind as well. I guess I'll give it some time before I attempt to send it in.

 

THX!

 

Alex

Maybe it is the loco, Ingeniero No 1. 

 

I just got both the black GS-2 and the J.  I run only conventional -something that I do seems to cause some other people heartburn, but particularly with the ZW-L, I'm quite content.  Anyway, out of the box both locos seemed to have no defects, doing everything I expected, running very smoothly, very slowly, with superb sound, etc.  However, out of the box . . . the J would not cycle through F-N-R - it would stubbornly do only F-N-F-N-F-N-F, etc.  In this regard it was similar to the GS-2 you have, in that eventually it "fixed" itself.  After about a quarter hour, it straightened itself out and would back up nicely.  But when I left it overnight and ran it again today, it once more refused to back up until it had run for about fifteen minutes, then it behaved normally.  I shut it down for two hours and it did it again - took 15 minutes before it would respond normally.  I've seen only one case like this before, where digital control equipment behaved this way, when mis-sized supercapacitors took quite a while for them to charge up above the threshold limits. I know MTH PS3 locos have supercapacitors but I didn't know if Lionel had them, and am not certain that is the case.  But for what it's worth, the J seems to behave this way. 

 

I'm posted my thoughts about the GS-2 and J on a separate thread.

Hey, I have just received mine,Southern Daylight, and I thought it was me. This is a beautiful engine and when it runs its neat, but mine just stops or when running the sounds just go out. It's hard to start up in Legacy, but it seems to be programmable. Yep, it's on it's way to Lionel. I think it's a defective board or something shook Loose in shipping. Good Luck.
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