This has always been on my favorite loads.
Bachmann Spectrum did some fabulous On30 offerings several years back at really good price (I think I bought this Climax for under $100.) I had hope to incorporate On30 into my layout, but was never able to. Keep the Climax, however, and mounted in onto a Weaver flatcar:
Not a great picture, however, as this came from when I tore down the old layout.
Jim
Here is another of my flatcar loads.
The backstory is that I use to travel to Europe for 3 - 4 weeks a year for business. Many of these trips were to non-English speaking countries 15+ years ago when internet was no where near as common as it is now. At night, TV options were very limited and I ended up watching a lot of Eurosports, watching stuff like Sumo Wrestling or Truck Racing.
While on one of these trips I found these Corgi Racing Trucks. Wanting to display them, but having no idea what to do with them, I put them on an Atlas Trainman flatcar with custom decking:
Jim
Inspiration for the novices! excellent work for sure.
Big Jim posted:
You need a 22" Jimmy Carter figure and a Pepsi Car "or Coke it doesn't matter". RC Cola would work too. Not 7up; it's an un-cola with "Lemmon" 
Could've had posted a V-8 😏
Hmm. I've got better shots of that still..(lost tons)
There's that yellow flat again.....
No meat on it! 😬
"Cult of Brady" Not a very Greg-arious idol. "Bring me some chicken!"
Very nice Don, would have never thought of a marble load. Hope you don't mind if I copy your idea.
Dave
david1 posted:Very nice Don, would have never thought of a marble load. Hope you don't mind if I copy your idea.
Dave
Heck no, copy away! I have a ton of the tread material, I could package some and send it your way.
Marble; it never fails to remind me of a sculpted black oynx clawfoot bathtub I wood worked around for a week or two. It was just stunning. "Filthy rich" as this one is filthy dirty; Robin Hobo stealing a dip from the rich; and "giving it" to the poor hygiene.
Weaver 50' flat cars w/swiveling homemade pipe load.
BAR GP7 #63 posted:
Wow! Now that is an awesome load. Thanks for posting.
PAUL ROMANO posted:
Weaver 50' flat cars w/swiveling homemade pipe load.
That's interesting!
Can you explain briefly what happens in curves? Is there some minimum diameter of track it can navigate (I suspect it's something like at least O54 or O72?).
Is it truly just a pivot or swivel on just the center point of each mount, or do the pipe holder pieces slide (side to side) along the wood supports they rest on? If so, is there some sort of mechanism in there to re-center them once on straight track again?
Maybe I am over thinking it. I guess it looks like it could be similar to a Schnabel car, which I'm pretty sure is is just a pivot point (that happens to have three trucks under it) under both ends (at least for our models - I don't know if the prototype is different). Of course the Schnabel doesn't have a coupler in the middle holding the ends, just the structure of the transformer and girders holding it mounted to each set of trucks at each end.
Sorry for the long question... Geometric issues sometimes fascinate me a little too much. 
-Dave
Dave45681 posted:PAUL ROMANO posted:
Weaver 50' flat cars w/swiveling homemade pipe load.
That's interesting!
Can you explain briefly what happens in curves? Is there some minimum diameter of track it can navigate (I suspect it's something like at least O54 or O72?).
Is it truly just a pivot or swivel on just the center point of each mount, or do the pipe holder pieces slide (side to side) along the wood supports they rest on? If so, is there some sort of mechanism in there to re-center them once on straight track again?
Maybe I am over thinking it. I guess it looks like it could be similar to a Schnabel car, which I'm pretty sure is is just a pivot point (that happens to have three trucks under it) under both ends (at least for our models - I don't know if the prototype is different). Of course the Schnabel doesn't have a coupler in the middle holding the ends, just the structure of the transformer and girders holding it mounted to each set of trucks at each end.
Sorry for the long question... Geometric issues sometimes fascinate me a little too much.
-Dave
At least one end of the pipe must slide. Take two points marked on a straight line and the distance between them, now bend the line into an arc. Another new straight line measurement of distance between the new positions of the points is now shorter shorter. The old measurement along the arc stays the same, but you can now call it the circumference because of the arc formed.
Someone can likely explain a little better. I'm about 40 years out of practice for geometry and 45 since my last serious drafting class.
I'm interested too; guessing one mount slides and one is fixed in place so it remains centered front to rear. How ever if the coupling slack was great enough, or one coupler shaft slides fwd/back, OR they are not coupled by anything but the pipe firmly secured to each, that would work too.
In real life, the latters chances depends on what the structure of the pipe can withstand. Wood cribbing means they are coupled normally and solid though, so I say it slides
PAUL ROMANO posted:BAR GP7 #63 posted:
Wow! Now that is an awesome load. Thanks for posting.
Paul Romano. Thank you.
Johan
Johan, like most of your work that home made engine-generator is fantastic. Did you start out with something that was supposed to be an engine or is it made entirely out of random shapes and pieces assembled into that very realistic load?
I recently acquired a Western Maryland TOFC and quickly discovered that the trailer is too tall to clear my upper level line. So what's a modeler to do? Get creative!
I had two trailer frames that were sitting around collecting dust. Found a good use for them and I'm happy with the way the car looks.
Adriatic,
Thanks for trying to help explain.
I do understand the problem pretty well from a pure mathematical standpoint (engineer- halfway decent at basic math ), but was curious how much effect was seen in real life, and how it was dealt with.
What also occurred to me (though obviously would not work for a real concrete pipe) was that it could benefit from slight flexing of the plastic (if the pipe is some sort of styrene), combined with either the pipe sliding along the long axis of the car within the mounts or the mounts shifting a little left to right along the short axis of the cars as I was trying to suggest in my original post (would have been easier to describe on a white board with some markers ).
Hopefully Paul will chime in to confirm or deny. 
-Dave
Dave45681 posted:PAUL ROMANO posted:
Weaver 50' flat cars w/swiveling homemade pipe load.
That's interesting!
Can you explain briefly what happens in curves? Is there some minimum diameter of track it can navigate (I suspect it's something like at least O54 or O72?).
Is it truly just a pivot or swivel on just the center point of each mount, or do the pipe holder pieces slide (side to side) along the wood supports they rest on? If so, is there some sort of mechanism in there to re-center them once on straight track again?
Maybe I am over thinking it. I guess it looks like it could be similar to a Schnabel car, which I'm pretty sure is is just a pivot point (that happens to have three trucks under it) under both ends (at least for our models - I don't know if the prototype is different). Of course the Schnabel doesn't have a coupler in the middle holding the ends, just the structure of the transformer and girders holding it mounted to each set of trucks at each end.
Sorry for the long question... Geometric issues sometimes fascinate me a little too much.
-Dave
Dave- 072 curves and swivel details. Hope this answers your questions.
coach joe posted:Johan, like most of your work that home made engine-generator is fantastic. Did you start out with something that was supposed to be an engine or is it made entirely out of random shapes and pieces assembled into that very realistic load?
Joe. Thank you. This EMD -engine-generator is a only load, i don´t have any plan put that anywhere else than flat car. This is a my third steam boiler/engine load and i think more comes.
Johan
Two tractors being delivered via flat car. 
That's a very handsome delivery of tractors on the team track Patrick.
PAUL ROMANO posted:Dave- 072 curves and swivel details. Hope this answers your questions.
I can't say for sure for Dave; but no, it was great to see but missed one part .
Does sliding of the pipe occur? ( Why? To compensate for the changed distance of pivot points fom "a"to"b" once the cars are in a curve vs straight).
If not, does the pipe flex some? (Dave asks)
Or does cribbing slide and pivot? (seems to only pivot)
No compensation for it needed at 0-72?
The whole point (reason😊) being at some max angle between cars in curves there is bind with stationary pivot alone.
Would it run on say 64" or 58" ? (ugly overhang, etc. aside ) If the pipe slides it "could/might/"almost but trucks hit"/etc.)
In real life the pipe is either cupped loosely or is making up part of the rolling structure. So does the pipe slide loose, or does the cribbing below allow fore and aft shifts to allow for slack travel between cars well as the angle shifts without putting pulling stresses on the pipe?
Adriatic posted:PAUL ROMANO posted:Dave- 072 curves and swivel details. Hope this answers your questions.I can't say for sure for Dave; but no, it was great to see but missed one part .
Does sliding of the pipe occur? ( Why? To compensate for the changed distance of pivot points fom "a"to"b" once the cars are in a curve vs straight).
If not, does the pipe flex some? (Dave asks)
Or does cribbing slide and pivot? (seems to only pivot)
No compensation for it needed at 0-72?
The whole point (reason😊) being at some max angle between cars in curves there is bind with stationary pivot alone.
Would it run on say 64" or 58" ? (ugly overhang, etc. aside ) If the pipe slides it "could/might/"almost but trucks hit"/etc.)
In real life the pipe is either cupped loosely or is making up part of the rolling structure. So does the pipe slide loose, or does the cribbing below allow fore and aft shifts to allow for slack travel between cars well as the angle shifts without putting pulling stresses on the pipe?
No, the pipe does not slide or flex, nor does the cribbing slide or pivot. No compensation needed for it on 072 curves. I ran this car at my club, NJ Hirailers, through reverse curves of 072 and greater with no problem and no binding at the pivot points simply because the pipe just swivels on curves.
Boom section from a Manitowoc 16000
Weaver 50' flatcar w/Weaver Alco truck load.
coach joe posted:That's a very handsome delivery of tractors on the team track Patrick.
Thanks Coach Joe! The photos of the semi - tractors on flats cars are some re-runs from past episodes of TTT.
" 1/16" play/slack is needed on 0-72 " to stop bind.Not such an unusual flat car load, however a not so common layout scene, demonstrating the circus style unloading process employed during the early piggyback era. 
Love the thread, thanks to all the posters. there are a ton of great ideas here.
I wanted to encourage Paul to consider the Alaska pipe line car next time with the pipe situated on cribbing like this. 
Here's a fairly obscure flatcar and load - Fandor flatcar with an airplane. The painted and lithographed tin for the plane is very thin.
PRRronbh posted:One of these days will get around to blocking and chaining it down per Mil Specs. Guess am waiting until get the Paladin (M109) assembled and painted for a related load.
Ron
Im hoping to make a custom flatcar with a custom tank in the future too. I have glimmers of hope now that the 50' Sherman Flatcars have been announced.
...although the Shermans I want to add to the flatcars are a bit different than normal.
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