Lionel 2013 is Out! What are you ordering????

All the talk about the CAB1-L and no one has mentioned they want one ?

well put me down for one.

I also liked the Michigan Central boxcar and the tank car from the berk set.

I'd love to get one of the 0-4-0 switchers, but $450 for a convention engine

is just a little steep...

I agree. I seriously think Lionel is missing a boat by not offering a semi-scale locomotive line WITH Legacy. Similar to MTH's Railking with Legacy and decent detail. They have a number of items that can be used. While I've got all MTH pieces, I would buy a small Legacy 0-31 or similar engine. The 0-4-0 switchers could have command just by looking at the catalog. With the prices and offerings, I just can't justify it. Give me a $500 Legacy steamer in a road name I like and I'll be all over it. 

Great catalog. Count me in for the following:

CB&Q Zephyr

BN Auto racks

BN flat

UTLX tank cars

Grand Central (What a great idea!!! I hope to see some more of that stations done that were previously released by Train Worx)

maybe the B&O RDC dummy

Nothing for me this time around.

Those E8's/E9's in the catalog look more like E7's. Hopefully it's just a rendering mistake.

Am definitely interested in the SP and BN auto carriers also the BN PS2 hopper, but I'll have to check the roadnumbers and see if they did them right.

Lionel really needs to either retire or revamp their scale Dash 9 tooling.  It's not even a proper Dash 9; it's more of a hodge-podge of a Dash 9 along with Dash 8 details, and those very early & crude HiAd trucks definitely need to be improved like MTH did with theirs a few years ago.

Otherwise, not much of interest to me.  Feel the same in regards to the MTH catalog as well.

guys-a lot of the catalog looks like old stuff from past catalogs-wonder if the big 10

are not overstocked=I thinking blowouts.grand cenral station is the best deal-prices are outrageous

Dang! Thought I was going to get away cheap this year, but they nailed me right in the wallet with those 30,000 gallon tank cars. May have to get all 4 three packs, a few of the autoracks again, and possibly a couple flat cars.

Perhaps a 1-L and a Legacy Powermaster later this year.  Otherwise, prices looking a bit stiff for my hobby budget. 

I preorderd the Canadian Pacific FT set from the RTR catalog.  I may also order the SuperCheif.

I have wanted a CAB-1L since it was in the last catalog. 

Did anybody noticed that LIONEL lists the E8/E9 as being 13" long?

Achim.

Saw that too!   I wonder whether they are really O31.

This will be a first for me, but I think I am in for:

SP F-7 ABA

WP GP-35

CB&Q E-9?

Well, I'm not  on the high end, but 18 new military traditional cars makes my day. Now...at msrp 64.99!!!!!!That will keep me spending for a while. OK Charlie you going to order all the military cars?

Larry

Nothing for me.  I was hoping for a cab forward.

I'd love to get the PRR F-3 Neil Young set... but daughter #1 of 3 starts college in the Fall...

Jon

Maybe because I am a Milw Rd fan, the new Lionel catalog was a total bust for me. A repeat conventional 0-4-0, a boxcar and a $1500.00 E-9 set in U.P. colors won't get me to open up my wallet. There were a couple of interesting pieces: the N Young signature passenger sets, and the NS heritage units, but that's about it for me. Unfortunately, the MTH catalog was about the same but that is for another post.

I was actually more interested in an item in the new American Flyer catalog--the Southern Pacific docksider set.

This catalog was not too bad for me. Although I am disappointed that the catalog has no steam effects on any of its steam locomotives I am interested in the Legacy 0-8-0 switcher or the Shays. Their prices aren't too bad either for a Legacy locomotive. 

I won't go over 700 dollars though for a Legacy locomotive without whistle steam. 

Killian, I am with you.  A Legacy or conventional LionMaster Challenger would have made my day.

It seems as though the theme is to bring out as many previously tooled models as possible, repaint, upgrade to Legacy, and boost the price sky high. I can't believe people buy into this. I don't know if my tastes have changed, but I just don't see the value. Example: I had the first Chessie SD-40-2 that Lionel made. It was not particularly good. I'm sure Legacy is better, but for that price with no changes to the tooling? No thanks. MTH took their GP-9 model upgraded its electronics to PS 3.0 with no tooling changes, but they moved it into the ScaleKing line and dropped the price. I tell you what else struck me... Those E units better be amazing! To charge almost $1000 MSRP for a powered A and dummy B at the same time MTH has an A-B-A set with 2 powered units for about $200 less is pretty gutsy.

No Lionmaster steam??  

I guess the Neil Young signature series will be the new Lionel conventional classics/PWC offerings since it states in the new catalog that all the sets will be celebrating Lionel's postwar history but with all the bells and whistles.

Also will someone at York ask Lionel if they will be doing anymore conventional classic sets.

Same here. A Legacy Lionmaster UP Challenger would have be a sure thing for me as well. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever see any Lionmaster engines again.

The Neil Young Texas Special is a possibility. Want to get that "Sam Huston" (!) car (whoever he is ). Those NY sets look pretty nice for those of us with modest size layouts. They really are like Lionmaster items in concept. Unlike the Post War Celebration series, these sets have added detail and use realistic paint schemes.

Other than that, there are plenty of earlier-cataloged items still on my want list.

Cab1-L remote

Boston and Maine GP9

CSX Dash9

Procor and ULTX 30,000 tank car sets.

Maybe one of the Chessie system diesels.  

-- Too much stuff equals too much money --- 

Where is the Amtrak???

Talked a bit with Jon at the Lionel booth.  He said kits would be available for sale for those that use different track systems.

Eastside trains still has some from the last run...

Their website only shows they have one MTH Challenger.

I've decided on ordering these Legacy items:

UP and C&O Mallets

ATSF and N&W Y3's

Legacy PRR S2 with smoke deflectors

Legacy Burlington Zephyr

SP E9's

SP F3 Black Widow's 

I suppose the Legacy SP AC-12 will be in the Fall catalog?  

Ricky

Well, not really. They still have PWC/CCs in the catalog, albeit they are the same offerings from the 2012 catalog.

But you do raise an issue I was thinking about earlier. This Neil Young series sort of defeats the whole purpose of the PWC/CC line. If you're sticking electronics in there they aren't really "conventional" anymore.

I'd really like to see them stick with the PWC/CC stuff and offer some new items.

At the Wednesday TCA presentation I did ask about Lionmaster. The issue seems to be the price point between that and the same engine produced in scale. Even though they are shorter it cost almost as much to make because it still has all the same bells and whistles. The idea is still alive but they can't get past the price hurdle. I did throw in another plug today at the Lionel booth...Jim

This Neil Young series sort of defeats the whole purpose of the PWC/CC line. If you're sticking electronics in there they aren't really "conventional" anymore. .

The PWC series engines weren't conventional. They had TMCC and RailSounds electronics in them, with electrocouplers, directional lighting, etc. Very different from the CC series.

I want that Medal of Honor General set myself.  And that USN Boxcar. (Retired Navy)

I think I like the military cars. On my list would be a couple of the military cars and a Cab 1 L to use with my Legacy. Though its not new a Legacy 993 expansion set is also on my list. 

As others mentioned I was dissapointed that there were no Lion master engines in the catalog. 

My thoughts on the new catalog:

In one word:  BOOOO!!!!

In two words:  VERY DISAPPOINTED.

Frankly, any time I spent "anticipating" this catalog was basically a waste.

My preference is for scale steam locomotives.  Lionel offered.....nothing interesting, IMHO.

While the Pennsy turbine seems quite nice, how many times can they go to the well with that loco?

If you're going to re-issue the 2-8-8-2s, wouldn't you offer all of your improvements since the last ones came out:  whistle steam, improved engine-tender coupler (see Milwaukee Road S-3), etc.  What is the point of this offering right now?  How much "better" is it than the last version?  Not enough to justify the $$$$$, me thinks.

BTW:  in case someone is asleep at the wheel, the 2-6-6-2s and 2-8-8-2s never seem to sell as well as the Challengers, Big Boys, 2-8-8-4s for some reason....probably b/c the prototypes are that much more interesting, desireable, historically important....you get where I'm coming from.  (I have an NKP mallet and rarely run it.)  I can't see these items flying off the shelves.  I can't see why a dealer would tie up his $$$$ to keep these in stock.

If the K-Line Berkshires are barely selling now, why even put them in catalog?   (I suppose you probably have to if you have a bunch still sitting in inventory.)

Some of the Chessie diesels caught my eye.  However, if Lionel's versions can't beat out what Atlas or even MTH is offering/has offerred, why bother?  At that price point, you have to "wow" me.  What is the point?  Slightly better sound effects?  No thanks.

On a bright note, I'm somewhat interested in the new Legacy Remote that is supposed to look my TMCC remote.

There are a few pieces of rolling stock that I find interesting.

Hopefully, others are more pleased with the new catalog.  And this is a hobby with many different tastes, interests, points of view, what have you....and no right or wrong, per se.

I just think Lionel could have done better.

Lionmaster was still feature rich though.  Legacy control and pretty decent detail too.  They just don't feel they can market these at a price point where they had been before.  Lionmaster is not dead, but definitely on the back burner.