Well there are many who are not happy. It costs to much, they did not make the right road name. There are two rivets too many. This is the worst catalog ever there is nothing good in it. Smoke does not come out of the right hole. We are too spoiled. The title of the thread was what are you ordering. Not what do you dislike about the catalog or the products inside. There was a thread about what NS heritage are you ordering. I do not model the NS nor am I ordering any of the Heritage units but I am not over on that thread complaining about the product and whining about it and posting I am ordering nothing because these units do nothing for me. I am glad for those who model these units and am happy for them that the product is offered. Some folks will never be satisfied.
Have many more things selected than I can afford. Going to have to whittle the list down quite a bit. Same thing has happened with the "other" catalog. Plus still have some other items on order from previous catalogs. Personally, I am hoping for more "re-runs", so I can catch up.
Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by joseywales:
..As for sound you thank Mike wolf=mth to start the sound revolution in trains
Huh? Lionel's RailSounds was introduced in 1990, years before MTH trains even existed. In any case, Lionel introduced the first electronic sounds system - the Sound of Steam - while Mike was barely out of diapers.
Barly out of diapers??? Mike Wolf, started assembling and selling trains at the age of 12 in 1973 for Williams Electric Trains, mike was behind that program with electronic sounds..remember before the end of 1987..MTH became a Lionel subcontractor..One of the reasons What ended there relationship in 93.was Mikes version PRR S2 turbine wasnt aurthized by lionel..its was there first electronic/ railsound train in 1989..
Kind of a boring catalog, nothing to get the adenalin pumping.
I saw 2 items I might consider buying. The secondary market looks better to me than either Lionel or MTH offerings this time.
kind of liking the UP Sd-40-2 and the B&M GP-9.
The E8/9 sets look like they might have K Line heritage in them.
While not interested in much of anything in the new Signature catalog, I did find a few things in the recent Ready-to-Run catalog, which is much more my kinda stuff (traditional size). Still, overall I will save myself a TON of money on Lionel not purchased this year and wife will be VERY happy about that!!
Originally Posted by joseywales:
.....One of the reasons What ended there relationship in 93.was Mikes version PRR S2 turbine wasnt aurthized by lionel..its was there first electronic/ railsound train in 1989..
The first Lionel engine with electronic Sound of Steam was the No. 8206 Hudson. It was produced in 1972. Mike was then about 11 years old, and as far as I know, was not running a company manufacturing electronics for O gauge trains at that time.
But maybe he was.
"Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, unless you can't think of anything better." Mark Twain
The first halfway decent sounding (IMO) modern sound system was developed by Neil Young for Lionel in the mid-1990s. Mike Wolf's company never developed a sound system until PS2 in the very late 1990s and early part of this century. All MTH locos in the 1990s had PS1, which was developed by QSI, not MTH. In my view, the sounds of PS1, like the Lionel sounds of the early 1990s, were not delightful.
I'm hoping to buy the Chessie SD40-2 engine and the B&O SD40-2 engine if my pocket gets deep enough LOL also like to get the chessie gp35 engine.
Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by joseywales:
.....One of the reasons What ended there relationship in 93.was Mikes version PRR S2 turbine wasnt aurthized by lionel..its was there first electronic/ railsound train in 1989..
The first Lionel engine with electronic Sound of Steam was the No. 8206 Hudson. It was produced in 1972. Mike was then about 11 years old, and as far as I know, was not running a company manufacturing electronics for O gauge trains at that time.
But maybe he was.
"Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, unless you can't think of anything better." Mark Twain
MTH is widely credited with bringing innovations into a hobby that had changed very little since the 1950s, as well as lowering prices...think you better read this.
" MTH is widely credited with bringing innovations into a hobby that had changed very little since the 1950s, as well as lowering prices...think you better read this."
No doubt MTH provided great value for money and helped popularize scale locomotives, particularly a great variety of liveries of rolling stock and locomotives. However electronics, command control and high quality sounds aren't among the innovations that MTH brought to the hobby. Ever. MTH used QSI sounds originally (nothing to brag about anyhow) and lagged behind Lionel by almost eight years in developing full blown command control and higher quality digital sounds. If anyone deserves credit for innovating by moving command control technology and sounds forward beginning in the 1990s, it was Neil Young and his Liontech company, IMO. They worked with Lionel, obviously. DCS wasn't available until 2002, and PS2, MTH's first inhouse sound system, about 2000. Just for the record 
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Originally Posted by Landsteiner:
" MTH is widely credited with bringing innovations into a hobby that had changed very little since the 1950s, as well as lowering prices...think you better read this."
No doubt MTH provided great value for money and helped popularize scale locomotives, particularly a great variety of liveries of rolling stock and locomotives. However electronics, command control and high quality sounds aren't among the innovations that MTH brought to the hobby. Ever. MTH used QSI sounds originally (nothing to brag about anyhow) and lagged behind Lionel by almost eight years in developing full blown command control and higher quality digital sounds. If anyone deserves credit for innovating by moving command control technology and sounds forward beginning in the 1990s, it was Neil Young and his Liontech company, IMO. They worked with Lionel, obviously. DCS wasn't available until 2002, and PS2, MTH's first inhouse sound system, about 2000. Just for the record .
Not sure what you think this video proves. All of Mike Wolf's projects for Lionel involved Samhongsa in Korea. The sound system in this engine wasn't developed by Mike Wolf. MTH didn't exist except as a retail dealer (primarily for Lionel as it turns out) in 1989. The narrator has the story completely wrong by the way. It wasn't this steam project that created problems between Mike Wolf and Dick Kughn, it was a later diesel project that hadn't been approved. You can read MTH's own book on the subject for that information.
Originally Posted by joseywales:
MTH is widely credited with bringing innovations into a hobby that had changed very little since the 1950s, as well as lowering prices...think you better read this.
If it's on Wikipedia, it must be true 
Seriously, how did we end up from the original topic to this nonsense. Are we being trolled right now 
With no Lionmaster, there is little compelling reason to spend money. The nicest things I saw in this catalog were the Y3s and SD40-2s.
The Neil Young Texas Special passenger set, it should go nicely with the LCCA Texas Special switcher and rolling stock.
DO NOT use Wikipedia as a credible source.
I noticed Lionel cataloged E9's in UP. Other then in current railfan service I don't believe the UP ran E'9's.
If true, to be correct, this set should have ditch lights.
Joe
Originally Posted by JC642:
I noticed Lionel cataloged E9's in UP. Other then in current railfan service I don't believe the UP ran E'9's.
If true, to be correct, this set should have ditch lights.
Joe
Joe:
UP rostered E9 units prior to the era of its heritage program. In any case, the external differences between the E8 and E9 are minor. Specifically, the principal spotting difference between them is a flush fitting headlight on the E9 versus that of the E8 which was fitted with a gasket around the circumference of the edge or lip. As some E8's were fitted with the E9 style assembly, checking the headlight type may be not be an absolute indicator of one type or the other.
Bob
Originally Posted by JC642:
I noticed Lionel cataloged E9's in UP. Other then in current railfan service I don't believe the UP ran E'9's.
If true, to be correct, this set should have ditch lights.
Joe
The UP did run E-9s, having owned 35 A units and 34 B units. The E-9s currently being used by the UP are actual original UP engines (the UP won't use anything on their heritage fleet other than engines that were originally UP engines). The UP has re-engined their operational E-9s, though.
As Bob (CNJ) notes above, since there were virtually no external differences between E-9s and E-8s (the only real difference was the engine), they can be used interchangeably on model railroads to represent the real deal.
After further consideration, I will get one of the new CAB1-L. Having an extra remote is always useful. The Milwaukee Road PS-1 looks inviting also.....would look good with all the Weaver Milw Rd ribside boxcars.
