Lionel 2021 UP Turbine technical info

Thank you Dave, very excited for this engine and the Acela!

I think you’ve covered all my questions. Looking forward to owning one of these beasts.

@MartyE posted:

I think you’ve covered all my questions. Looking forward to owning one of these beasts.

Same here. Thanks @Dave Olson been looking forward to this one for a long time.

This Engine I have been looking forward to for a LONG time!  Sold my original and was sorry ever since!  Thank YOU Lionel for listening to us !!!

Thanks, Dave, for including a SP Bloody Nose as a Veranda.

Perfect.  And soon to be on order.

Sounds like a nice upgrade from the TMCC unit, I wonder what I can get for my old one.

@Dave Olson - You might not be able to answer this question, but I'm wondering for the tender sound, are you attempting to use a low pass filter to actively enhance the low frequency (bass) region or are you amplifying the lf region to enhance bass...or is the the use of two speakers considered enough to designate the unit as "super bass "?

Thank you,
Anthony

Sounds fantastic.  I ordered two, Rio Grande  and Alaska.  I can't wait to receive them.

Now the unanswerable.  When will they arrive? Lol

Thanks for the information Dave! From the looks of it you had plenty of work for in this catalog

I have a quick question about this monstah..how much clearance on the outside of the curve does this thing need..I have 072 but its a lil close here and there..Id love to order one Thanks!

@Dave Olson posted:

• VSR - Voice Streaming and Recording. This will not nor will any other Legacy engine from the 2021 Big Book will have the feature. Only the skus in the catalog that have the VSR icon will, which are currently limited to some of the Ready to Run sets. We'll see how it does there and possibly roll it into Legacy in the future. It is a feature targeted more toward kids, so that's why we're starting it off in RTR.

Just my two cents real quick; I think I would use this as an adult quite often. More so than LVC. Might be worth some market research to see what others think. I mostly see it as a cool feature when you're railroading with buddies. It would be especially cool if it had a passive mode that allowed a session dispatcher to communicate through the train like in real life in place of the headset or telephone.

Just something to consider! Loved the catalog this year!

Can the new Veranda operate as a lash up (sorry Rich) with the original Veranda?

@Snkbittin posted:

I have a quick question about this monstah..how much clearance on the outside of the curve does this thing need..I have 072 but its a lil close here and there..Id love to order one Thanks!

3+ inches from the center rail should do it, and 6" between adjacent tracks.

@Jeff2035 posted:

Can the new Veranda operate as a lash up (sorry Rich) with the original Veranda?

Probably as a TMCC MU, like most other Legacy products.

@gunrunnerjohn  Do you think the TMCC version would run on O64 or is O72 the absolute minimum?

Well, I've only run it on O72, but it might run on O64.  I only have O72 and larger, so I can't personally test this.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, I've only run it on O72, but it might run on O64.  I only have O72 and larger, so I can't personally test this.

Thanks anyway.  I’ve been following your thread on your new layout. Very nice.

I would love to own one of these as I never had one in my collection. The big question is do I want the green hood with the silver trucks or the black/grey trucks with grey hood....I always liked the green hood but I also like the dark grey trucks on the #65 model. Anyone have thoughts on this also? I wonder the detail compared to the MTH models.

I also wonder (hope) if Lionel will ever do a DD40 Legacy or even a Visionline model as I love the DD40s

@Matthew posted:

I would love to own one of these as I never had one in my collection. The big question is do I want the green hood with the silver trucks or the black/grey trucks with grey hood....I always like the green hood but I also like the dark grey trucks on the #65 model. Anyone have thoughts on this also? Also, I wonder the detail compared to the MTH models.

I also wonder (hope) if Lionel will ever do a DD40 Legacy or even a Visionline model as I love the DD40s

Its been a while since a vision line diesel. Been all steam lately

I’m excited for these.  Love that they come with super bass as the sounds should be awesome.  Also like the dual smoke and die cast!  Plan to order one.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

3+ inches from the center rail should do it, and 6" between adjacent tracks.

Thanks John! i should be ok ..might be one spot that will need to be expanded ..now to decide which one to get

This one is a definite and priced right for what you get.  Been waiting a long time for one of these.  Thank you for finally doing it!

Now we need a Nickel Plate one for @Rich Melvin that he could "lashup" with the 765.  LOL!

@A. Wells posted:

@Dave Olson - You might not be able to answer this question, but I'm wondering for the tender sound, are you attempting to use a low pass filter to actively enhance the low frequency (bass) region or are you amplifying the lf region to enhance bass...or is the the use of two speakers considered enough to designate the unit as "super bass "?

Thank you,
Anthony

It's a secret. Jk. I didn't want to have to modify the PCB hardware for superbass units, so we achieve the effect by using larger speaker enclosures and adjusting the audio files accordingly. It typically calls for the audio engineer to spend a few days getting the motor sounds just right, but makes for a nice effect.

@Chris Lord posted:

Now the unanswerable.  When will they arrive? Lol

The production schedule isn't finalized until a couple of weeks after the order window is closed in March. So ask again then and I'll know. But I do know it'll be this year.

Once I get a good running sample and we get the sounds up to snuff, I'll do a Demos with Dave episode to show it off.

@Dave Olson - Mr. Olson - Thanks for the info! Yeah, increasing the enclosure size and having a small reflex port really helps with the bass...at least that's what I've found.  Regarding bass enhancement, I have a side project where I'm trying to shunt the audio from the MTH PS3.0 into a separate PCB with an adjustable low pass filter and low power audio amplifier for strictly bass usage.  Unfortunately last night was a very, very bad reflow solder night.

Anthony

It's sounding better and better all the time, I was hoping I could be satisfied with my TMCC version.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

It's sounding better and better all the time, I was hoping I could be satisfied with my TMCC version.

Come on John you know you want to pull the trigger.

Well, want to and need to are two different feelings.

@MartyE posted:

Now we need a Nickel Plate one for @Rich Melvin that he could "lashup" with the 765.  LOL!

Can you lend me some rope? I'm all out. 

@Dave Olson  thanks for the information.  This engine is a must have for me!  I really appreciate that you guys are making the engine and tender compatible for kadee couplers!  You saved me a bunch of time!!  Thank you!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, want to and need to are two different feelings.

I feel the need strongly, and as I was among those who agitated with Lionel for the Veranda to be reissued (as a VL, which it practically is without being labelled as such), I also feel obliged.

@Tanner111 posted:

@gunrunnerjohn  Do you think the TMCC version would run on O64 or is O72 the absolute minimum?

A friend brought over a TMCC Veranda once. It needed all of 072. I highly doubt it would run on 064. If it does it for sure will not like switches.

@Lou1985 posted:

A friend brought over a TMCC Veranda once. It needed all of 072. I highly doubt it would run on 064. If it does it for sure will not like switches.

Thanks Lou. I really appreciate it.

@Dave Olson posted:

The production schedule isn't finalized until a couple of weeks after the order window is closed in March.

When does the ordering window close?

@Dave Olson posted:

It's a secret. Jk. I didn't want to have to modify the PCB hardware for superbass units, so we achieve the effect by using larger speaker enclosures and adjusting the audio files accordingly. It typically calls for the audio engineer to spend a few days getting the motor sounds just right, but makes for a nice effect.

Just make sure the audio is loud and clear! It wouldn't be upset if the bass knocked a few of those uppity plastic people off their feet.

I personally can't wait for this one.  It's one I too have often asked about getting remade.

John,

Let me know if you want to sell your TMCC version.

I had asked about a possible lash up between the original Veranda and the new version. Gunrunner suggested it could be done with TMCC.

One other question, is the first version of Odyssey compatible in a lash up with the current version?

@Dave Olson posted:

Mechanical features:

• Lots of die-cast. Tooling mods done to the shell for electronics upgrades, but still a big, heavy die-cast body. Both the engine and the tender will use handrails on the roof for the TMCC antenna. Tender shell is also die-cast.

Did you guys retool the Cab, Windows and nose.

Originally Lionel and MTH smooshed the face of these units..... never looked good

(Not my Photos)

@Bruk posted:

Did you guys retool the Cab, Windows and nose.

Originally Lionel and MTH smooshed the face of these units..... never looked good

(Not my Photos)

I doubt it.