Lionel 21" UP Passenger Cars

Yes, these will be leaving China soon.

I'm excited to finally get my Amtrak Stationsounds diner 6-82889!

Dave Olson posted:

Yes, these will be leaving China soon.

Thanks for the update. 

Dave Olson posted:

Yes, these will be leaving China soon.

So, are they being produced soon or have they already been made?  Awaiting shipping?

@Dave Olson one more question, will the observation car from the 83042 set have a full size O scale coupler to connect with the 84232 theater car? Or will it have a scale coupler on the back?

I'm waiting for my UP Staion Sounds Diner car. Can't wait to run, hear all sounds.  I will make a video, do review of this car after I get it. 

I have 3 questions on 3 different products:

1. Are the Brass Hybrid Santa Fe Mikados shipping sometime soon?
2. Will the new NKP LEGACY Berkshires have the correct pilots?
3. Will the new Milwaukee Road S3 Hiawatha paintscheme have polished rods or blackened rods?

If they leave China now, there is no way they will get here by the end of the year, due to shipping and receiving time right? 

• @T1Titan_ZachF posted:

If they leave China now, there is no way they will get here by the end of the year, due to shipping and receiving time right? 

Unless Lionel ships via air freight, that's probably a healthy assumption.  If you look over on the Atlas-O website, there's often a 6- to 8-week period between a container shipment out of China and Atlas-O shipping to dealers.  Then add another week (sometimes less, sometimes more) for dealers to ship to their customers.

So when we hear these are "shipping soon", it's touch-and-go if you'll see them in your hands this year -- especially if shipped by sea.  You'd feel better if they already shipped in mid-October.  Just sayin'.

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

• @T1Titan_ZachF posted:

If they leave China now, there is no way they will get here by the end of the year, due to shipping and receiving time right? 

Unless Lionel ships via air freight, that's probably a healthy assumption.  If you look over on the Atlas-O website, there's often a 6- to 8-week period between a container shipment out of China and Atlas-O shipping to dealers.  Then add another week (sometimes less, sometimes more) for dealers to ship to their customers.

So when we hear these are "shipping soon", it's touch-and-go if you'll see them in your hands this year -- especially if shipped by sea.  You'd feel better if they already shipped in mid-October.  Just sayin'.

It seems with BTO items these days I always have to make "Healthy Assumptions" like what happened with the Lionel F40PH..........

Dave, 

Have these been produced or are they in production awaiting shipping?

86TA355SR posted:

Dave, 

Have these been produced or are they in production awaiting shipping?

@Dave Olson I think quite a lot of people would welcome an answer to the basic question of whether these cars are still in production or are produced just awaiting packing/shipping.

Ryan Kunkle said on Facebook they should be here before the end of the year. 

Operative word being "should."  However, as Mom always said:   "Better late than never." 

Every year there's always SOMETHING that folks are wondering whether their special product will arrive by year's end....

For me, it's the Atlas-O 53' CSX containers I pre-ordered, and even put down a deposit for with Charlie Ro (since they were considered "special order").     Then again, if I had to put a deposit down somewhere, I know Charlie is good for it.    And with the latest info posted on the Atlas Model Railroading website (as opposed to the Atlas-O website), it appears my long awaited containers "should" arrive -- maybe even in my own hands -- by year's end.  

For most folks, it seems these 21" Lionel passengers are the things they're waiting for with bated breath.  For your collective sakes, I hope Lionel would just step up and tell you where the product IS right now.  You'd think SOMEBODY there must know!

After all, this ain't rocket science.  We can all do the math.  It's Nov 12th today -- basically 6 weeks left in 2017.  If they ain't "on the water" yet (and Lionel is using the usual shipping option for them), then these jewels aren't gonna make it in time.  But FWIW, Charlie Ro's website is still showing a 12/20/2017 arrival.

So keep hoping.

86TA355SR posted:

Dave, 

Have these been produced or are they in production awaiting shipping?

Dave or Ryan, 

any update to this question, please?

thanks

@Dave Olson and @Conrail6358

will yield a quicker response but both were at Trainfest in Milwaukee so it is uncertain if they will respond soon.  Ryan did say on the Facebook post from Milwaukee on Friday they are in production and should  see them by years end. Sounds like they may come by air possibly but Ryan could answer for sure.

The emphasis on should was mine.  If they are coming on a boat then most likely as David pointed out they would probably be later.

Thanks Marty.

Charles Ro has changed their dates on the UP cars to April 10, 2018.

@Dave Olson these still on track for years end delivery? 

Any estimates on the Penn Central set arrival?

Looks like all the passenger cars are set back till spring 2018 according to Charles Ro website.

I'm looking forward to the AFT cars.

JFC454 posted:

Charles Ro has changed their dates on the UP cars to April 10, 2018.

Wow!!!  Very strange.  In less than a month's time, we've gone from "these should be leaving China soon" to Lionel's largest dealer showing April 2018 dates.  

limbolow posted:

Looks like all the passenger cars are set back till spring 2018 according to Charles Ro website. ... 

Well not quite ALL the 21" cars were pushed out to Spring 2018.  Looks like the Amtrak set, SP Daylight set, and NYC ESE add-ons are still showing 12/10/2017.  The other passenger cars are now showing next year though.

Depending on your outlook, a little bit of delivery staggering could be easier on the wallet for those folks who pre-ordered different sets.  I guess there's only so much stuff that Lionel's Chinese factory can produce at any given point in time.

Nonetheless, I wonder why there seems to be so many mixed messages coming out of Lionel Stateside on this stuff.  Somewhat puzzling, but not completely out of character.

Rather than speculate, we could inquire to @Dave Olson or @Conrail6358 and get an answer directly from Lionel.

I agree on the staggering Dave, especially for the holidays.

When they get here they get here!!

The shipments were split into separate containers so that some of the skus could get here while the other cars are still in production. It was planned to have them all make the year, but that isn't possible now unfortunately.

I believe the roads that will make it here for the year are Penn Central and Southern Pacific. The others will be 1st Quarter 2018.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. 

Dave but at least its directly from you.  Too many times we hear some 3rd party info that isn't correct possibly through no fault of the person posting.  While it is a bit disappointing it also will let some people off the hook who might have re-purposed the funds for these cars. 

Dave, that is not bad news to me, I have the Daylight cars on order!

At York Ryan Kunkle told me that the Amtrak cars are also in this same container as well. Is this true? 

I asked him specifically about the Amtrak stationsounds diner that I ordered and he said it was in the first can. 

I am MUCH less concerned with the date of arrival than I am with the SHAPE of arrival. Let's see if Lionel tested these and they are free of engineering and manufacturing defects. If Lionel starts shipping quality, I will ask Dean and Dave to take down the target in their offices with my face on it.

Scrapiron Scher

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

At York Ryan Kunkle told me that the Amtrak cars are also in this same container as well. Is this true? 

Yes, that's the third one. Sorry about that. Those are the three that will make the year.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

If Lionel starts shipping quality, I will ask Dean and Dave to take down the target in their offices with my face on it.

I will never take that down. 

Dave Olson posted:

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

At York Ryan Kunkle told me that the Amtrak cars are also in this same container as well. Is this true? 

Yes, that's the third one. Sorry about that. Those are the three that will make the year.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

If Lionel starts shipping quality, I will ask Dean and Dave to take down the target in their offices with my face on it.

I will never take that down. 

Thanks for the clarification Dave Olson! 

Scrapiron Scher posted:

 If Lionel starts shipping quality, I will ask Dean and Dave to take down the target in their offices with my face on it.

Scrapiron Scher

Joey at Nicholas Smith has one too

Thanks to Dave Olson for chiming in here.  Next to Dave's (and Ryan's) direct forum participation, it's also nice to know that information posted on Charlie Ro's website has been -- and continues to be -- amazingly accurate with respect to shipping dates!  

Thank you Dave Olsen, the updates are very much appreciated.

That's great news. That is, that I will have extra train money over the holidays.

J Daddy posted:

That's great news. That is, that I will have extra train money over the holidays.

AMEN!!!!!!

J Daddy posted:

...  That's great news. That is, that I will have extra train money over the holidays.

Yes, but wouldn't it have been nice to know that BEFORE the Black Friday / Cyber Monday sales???