@Reading RR posted:

GunrunnerJohn,

Once you have the engine module in the base 3, and you are on the Cab3 Database Memory page do you use 'restore database' or do you use 'import database from file'?  Never mind John, just did a dry run and the only thing that highlighted was the 'Restore button'.  Also if anyone is having trouble swiping down, and nothing happens, try swiping down and to the right at about 20 degrees or so.  Works every time.

There is no way to transfer the Cab2 database without making a backup via the LSU software and then using the yet to be released B3SU. This would include switches, Accessories, trains, engines associate with IDs.  You can make a multi engine module using the original LSU and the Legacy base and then put the module in the Base3 and Cab3App or Cab2 connected to Base3 and transfer 1 engine info (not IDs) one at a time using the multi engine module.

See this page.

@MartyE posted:

There is no way to transfer the Cab2 database without making a backup via the LSU software and then using the yet to be released B3SU. This would include switches, Accessories, trains, engines associate with IDs.  You can make a multi engine module using the original LSU and the Legacy base and then put the module in the Base3 and Cab3App or Cab2 connected to Base3 and transfer 1 engine info (not IDs) one at a time using the multi engine module.

See this page.

The B3SU got pushed back another month. Earlier this week the date read 8/1/2024.

Put 2 club ID's in with the multi engine module I made.  Put the rest in manually Saturday.  I was just hoping the B3SU was out, but oh well.

If i am using the app, I won't have need the base 3 system utility, correct?  I went to the site provided above by MartyE, and that appears to be the case.

John

@jbmccormick posted:

If i am using the app, I won't have need the base 3 system utility, correct?  I went to the site provided above by MartyE, and that appears to be the case.

John

I don't think that's true.  As I understand it, one thing you can't do with the app is move the whole engine database from the Legacy command base to the BASE3 with the CAB3 app.

@jbmccormick posted:

If i am using the app, I won't have need the base 3 system utility, correct?  I went to the site provided above by MartyE, and that appears to be the case.

John

I think eventually it will come in handy for doing some editing and such but to get started and adding engines no.  It will be just like starting with the 990 for the first time.

Set mine up today and made a shelf under the layout. The only minor issue I had was the WiFi WPS set up. It took a couple tries to get the base to join my WiFi. I did a complete program of one locomotive and all functions seem to work perfect, I even captured a photo for the app. Well worth the wait!

Gene

@Genemed posted:

Set mine up today and made a shelf under the layout. The only minor issue I had was the WiFi WPS set up. It took a couple tries to get the base to join my WiFi. I did a complete program of one locomotive and all functions seem to work perfect, I even captured a photo for the app. Well worth the wait!

Gene

Nice!

@SuperChief posted:

The B3SU got pushed back another month. Earlier this week the date read 8/1/2024.

With all these date slips, Lionel should be part of the Government.      

My base 3 app keeps crashing I've uninstalled and reinstalled the app and it still crashes. Also I put one steam engine on the track and it shows up as a diesel and I can't control it. There's no instructions I don't know what all the symbols on the buttons mean, I've never had a legacy controller. The Lionel website doesn't help.

I can’t enter engines into the Base 3

I can use the Cab 2 and Bluetooth but following the directions to enter an engine into the Base 3 isn’t working

@Robprince posted:

I can’t enter engines into the Base 3

I can use the Cab 2 and Bluetooth but following the directions to enter an engine into the Base 3 isn’t working

I'm having the same problem. I contacted Lionel by email.

Engine switch to PGM

Cab3, press ENG, enter desired ID, hit set.

Switch back to run

Swipe up to go to engine configuration menu

Enter ALL info.

Press back, hit YES to confirm update.

Engine ready to go.

@Alabama Joe posted:

With all these date slips, Lionel should be part of the Government.      

We only have so many resources. Trying the best we can. And I don't wanna release the program until it's good.

@GAN Railroad posted:

Also I put one steam engine on the track and it shows up as a diesel

Yes, same thing with 2 steamers I've tried. They set up as diesels but I was able to access most of the features.

I'm disappointed that there is no easy method now to transfer the CAB2 database to CAB3. I have no desire to manually enter lots of engines, nor use Lionel's old arcane software to kludge it.

Also, there is not an easy method to connect to the home network WIFI that employs modern router (with no WPS button.) Most every other networked device on the planet makes it easy just to put in an SSID and password. I was hoping the CAB3 would not have the same difficulty level as the frustratingly old Lionel WIFI module to connect to the home network.

Engine switch to PGM

Cab3, press ENG, enter desired ID, hit set.

After I hit set I get error code 2 no reply from loco

@Bruce Brown posted:

Yes, same thing with 2 steamers I've tried. They set up as diesels but I was able to access most of the features.

I'm disappointed that there is no easy method now to transfer the CAB2 database to CAB3. I have no desire to manually enter lots of engines, nor use Lionel's old arcane software to kludge it.

Also, there is not an easy method to connect to the home network WIFI that employs modern router (with no WPS button.) Most every other networked device on the planet makes it easy just to put in an SSID and password. I was hoping the CAB3 would not have the same difficulty level as the frustratingly old Lionel WIFI module to connect to the home network.

Wow I have not gotten my base 3 yet its on the way but I was wondering why everyone was trying to use wps I never use it.

That's just silliness that's the only way to add it.

I want my money back.

@GAN Railroad posted:

Engine switch to PGM

Cab3, press ENG, enter desired ID, hit set.

After I hit set I get error code 2 no reply from loco

That error is for when you've entered a 4 digit address and the Base3 can't find a 4 digit engine. Is that what you're trying to do or are you trying to program standard Legacy or TMCC engines?

@Shawn_Chronister posted:

Wow I have not gotten my base 3 yet its on the way but I was wondering why everyone was trying to use wps I never use it.

That's just silliness that's the only way to add it.

I want my money back.

It's not! Go down the page where it says Join to Network (No WPS).

https://control.lionel.com/docs/wi-fi-configuration/

I'm trying to program a legacy engine. I thought I could enter it as the road number. 

@GAN Railroad posted:

I'm trying to program a legacy engine. I thought I could enter it as the road number.

Only if it supports 4 digit addressing only some of the newer engines support it.

I got my base3 a couple of day's ago and have been trying to get used to it. I had lots of problems programming engines (legacy) until I finally figured it out. One thing I can point out is if you swipe left or right on the cab3 app main screen you will get additional screens. I did not see any mention of this in any of the reference information. More detailed information on the icons on the main screen and what they do would be helpful. Most of the setup information provided by Lionel is missing lots of information and is pretty helter skelter.

I am getting a crash report on every instance of opening the cab3 app. Running on android. Same report on my tablet and my phone. I have just been closing that window and the app seems to be working. Not sure what may be missing due to all the errors in the report.

One other item is if you switch between Bluetooth and the Cab tab and back to Bluetooth you lose the wifi connection and have to re-establish Which is not fast. Takes several attempts. So running locomotives in Bluetooth and command at the same time may be pretty clunky. I have not tried it yet.

Overall I like the cab3 app. better than the Cab1L.

I got it working however I can't figure out how to operate the lights on my steam engine, how to access the big red knob and no pictures of the engines show on the app, just a generic steam engine with a bar across it that says steam.

For those having trouble moving their base2 engine roster to the base3, I was able to move our clubs roster of 80 ID addresses in about 90 minutes once I got the hang of it.  That being said here is where the instructions are.  Go to www.control.lionel.com,  select the Base3 instructions, drop down to the section on the left that says Memory Modules, select that.  Scroll down till you get to ‘Creating a MEM with the base2’.  The instruction are about 4 paragraphs long, if you get to ‘updating firmware’ you went a little too far.  Follow the instructions and it works.  Yes, I’m sure the B3SU is easier, but it is not out yet.  Have to work with what you have.

@Dave Olson posted:

We only have so many resources. Trying the best we can. And I don't wanna release the program until it's good.

Mad respect to @Dave Olson and Lionel for posting and interacting in a public forum like this during a big product launch!  That's pretty much unheard of in the software biz these days and demonstrates a deep commitment to making it work. 

@Reading RR posted:

For those having trouble moving their base2 engine roster to the base3, I was able to move our clubs roster of 80 ID addresses in about 90 minutes once I got the hang of it.  That being said here is where the instructions are.  Go to www.control.lionel.com,  select the Base3 instructions, drop down to the section on the left that says Memory Modules, select that.  Scroll down till you get to ‘Creating a MEM with the base2’.  The instruction are about 4 paragraphs long, if you get to ‘updating firmware’ you went a little too far.  Follow the instructions and it works.  Yes, I’m sure the B3SU is easier, but it is not out yet.  Have to work with what you have.

Thank you for this. Very helpful even for my modest 20 legacy TMCC engines! And a I will second the thanks to @Dave Olson

Mike

For those interested, there’s been an added page to the Cab 3 section of the online control manual called Cab 3 controls, very helpful. Also mentioned is keypad info coming soon. This to me will be helpful seeing how I never used a Cab 2.

Gene

@Genemed posted:

For those interested, there’s been an added page to the Cab 3 section of the online control manual called Cab 3 controls, very helpful. Also mentioned is keypad info coming soon. This to me will be helpful seeing how I never used a Cab 2.

Gene

Thanks Gene!  

Everyone there will be a learning curve and we all are trying to navigate a new system. Lionel has a pretty good site for doing this. We need to have some patience and help each other.

Thanks to Dave for his patience and expertise.

@MartyE posted:

Thanks Gene!  

Everyone there will be a learning curve and we all are trying to navigate a new system. Lionel has a pretty good site for doing this. We need to have some patience and help each other.

Thanks to Dave for his patience and expertise.

You’re welcome Marty!

Gene

@Dave Olson posted:

It's not! Go down the page where it says Join to Network (No WPS).

https://control.lionel.com/docs/wi-fi-configuration/

Cool, I missed this!  That was a sticking point with the LCS WiFi, glad it's not an issue with the BASE3!

Yes!

It has arrived!

Delivered today.

What I found so far.

1.  If you try and enter an engine ID not in the Base3 by accident, the app crashes and shuts down.  Initially I tried to use the Universal ID and it crashed also, until I had at least 1 engine in the base.

2.  Can only load one engine at a time from the Black Memory module even though all the engines are on the module (this is going to be time consuming if you have a huge roster).

3.  Train Brake does not work in the App.   If the engine is stopped and you apply the train brake and then throttle up it holds.   If engine is moving and you apply the train brake it does nothing.  I use it all the time to quickly stop engines on my Legacy remote. 

Also, if using the app, you have to first open the Train brake before you can apply it so it's a 2-step process.

4.  Legacy/Cab1-L remotes immediately connected when on the same channel. Zero setup.

5.  Legacy Cab2/Cab1-L remotes worked fine with Base3.

6.  I don't see a way to load Trains/Accessories/Routes from the Base 2 to the Base 3.  I have a lot of LCS components and train setups.

7.  Post is loose on the base.  It spins as I am hand tightening the nut.  Not sure if there is a nut inside that's loose or if it is press fit into the base housing.

8.  Double clicking on speed counter open red dial, but you have to tap to close it before you can tap anything else.

9.  Both Red Dial and Slider have Haptic feedback on phone!  Very cool, it is sort of like the detents on the remote.

10.  The EFX don't change when I push up or down in app.   If I use Cab 2 remote with Base 3 works fine.

Stay tuned for more!   

@Sean's Train Depot posted:

2.  Can only load one engine at a time from the Black Memory module even though all the engines are on the module (this is going to be time consuming if you have a huge roster).

6.  I don't see a way to load Trains/Accessories/Routes from the Base 2 to the Base 3.  I have a lot of LCS components and train setups.

I think these two are going to be covered by the BASE3 Utility program coming in September.

Sean,

80 engines took about 90 minutes when I used the black multi engine module made on the base 2 with the LSU.  Also after you load each engine, Engine Configuration page may or my not update, do not trust it to verify engine load properly.  Hit the back button at the bottom of the page it will take you back to the main screen.  The loaded engine will now be at the top in the description line with the address.   COME ON B3SU!!!  It will be so much easier.

Word to the wise. If you switch your cab 2 to the base 3 channel it will not be able to access your assigned engine numbers that were stored on your old base . It will access only the numbers on the new base 3. Write them all down before you start moving them over. This only applies if you are manually entering them

@Terry Luft posted:

Word to the wise. If you switch your cab 2 to the base 3 channel it will not be able to access your assigned engine numbers that were stored on your old base . It will access only the numbers on the new base 3. Write them all down before you start moving them over

Don't switch your Cab2 channel, switch the Base3 channel to match your Cab 2 and you won't have that issue and then you can switch back and forth between systems as you are testing things.  Just power down the base you are not using.

Some people are smarter than me

Question?   Loading a Non Bluetooth Legacy engine into the Base 3?   First VisionLine run of the Challenger.

is it defined as a RF LionChief Engine?  If so then I set a tmcc id?    I change the switch on the base 3 to pgm then hit set.    Nothing happens.     When setting a tmc if I see an option to pair, but it always fails.    Obviously I am either missing a step or doing something completely wrong.        Help please.

Many thanks to @Dave Olsen for establishing TalkToUs as a contact for feedback and responding to my issue with 3rd party software developed to work with the Legacy LCS WiFi.

The issue is the Base3's WiFi is not echoing all of the commands back out through the WiFi connection (observed using the LCS WiFi Monitoring program).  That makes scenario recording impossible from that IP.  Dave responded and said to use the serial output (i.e. PDI bus) to capture that data.

The LCS WiFi module provides an IP and port for accessing PDI data.  I returned my LCS WiFi module (in AP mode) to one of the Base3's PDI outputs, connected monitoring software to that IP, and life is good again.  The LCS WiFi Monitor program now shows the commands I've generated via Cab2 and App3 plus SensorTrack and STM data from the LCS devices.  High Rail and eTrain operate correctly via the LCS WiFi.  Lionel's iCab app also works.  As expected, the App3 will not connect to the LCS WiFi.

I next changed the LCS WiFi mode to network where it joined my office network.  So far, I haven't had observed an issue with both the Base3 and LCS WiFi existing on the same subnet.

@Alabama Joe posted:

Question?   Loading a Non Bluetooth Legacy engine into the Base 3?   First VisionLine run of the Challenger.

is it defined as a RF LionChief Engine?  If so then I set a tmcc id?    I change the switch on the base 3 to pgm then hit set.    Nothing happens.     When setting a tmc if I see an option to pair, but it always fails.    Obviously I am either missing a step or doing something completely wrong.        Help please.

A VisionLine engine is a standard Legacy engine, it is not an RF engine.  You would add it the same way we always have with Legacy engines.