I figure my Cab 2 engine database is pretty messy. Luckily the engines I run the most have the IR on them and I have a sensor track. Easy peasy to add.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:A VisionLine engine is a standard Legacy engine, it is not an RF engine. You would add it the same way we always have with Legacy engines.
Can it be that simple? I was spinning outa control. Thank you Sean, all good now.
Id like to send a crash report of the cab3 to Dave at Lionel and I have read that they have set up an email for this. I am unable to find the email. Anyone able to post that email please?
@patternpilot posted:Id like to send a crash report of the cab3 to Dave at Lionel and I have read that they have set up an email for this. I am unable to find the email. Anyone able to post that email please?
Talktous@lionel.com
Received and set up the Base 3 today. Have only run Bluetooth up until today. Do not have the IR sensor track, so loading each locomotive manually. I guess I thought the Base3 would recognize the engine once I assign it a TMCC ID. Instead, I have to manually choose steam or diesel, choose Legacy, TMCC, etc, choose what Railsounds it has, pretty much everything. Am I doing something wrong, or is this manual process the correct way to load this info? The system is not downloading the locomotive picture either. Once the locomotive is loaded, some features work and some do not. For example, holding down Aux 2 to access the lights, none of the lights turn off and on with these buttons. This makes me wonder if I am properly loading these engines! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
@BAM Railroad posted:Received and set up the Base 3 today. Have only run Bluetooth up until today. Do not have the IR sensor track, so loading each locomotive manually. I guess I thought the Base3 would recognize the engine once I assign it a TMCC ID. Instead, I have to manually choose steam or diesel, choose Legacy, TMCC, etc, choose what Railsounds it has, pretty much everything. Am I doing something wrong, or is this manual process the correct way to load this info? The system is not downloading the locomotive picture either. Once the locomotive is loaded, some features work and some do not. For example, holding down Aux 2 to access the lights, none of the lights turn off and on with these buttons. This makes me wonder if I am properly loading these engines! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
The picture depends.
The way you are doing it manually is the same process as before. So, since you do not have a sensor track, then there are 2 ways to load engine info.
1. The manual way you are doing it.
2. Create a Multi-Engine Memory module with the Black module and then load engines from that (one by one right now). However, to do that you must use the Legacy System Utility on your PC and connect to your Legacy Base to create the module. If you don't have that setup, then you can't create the module and can only do it manually.
3. On the Bluetooth side the picture comes down automatically. On the Base3 side you can take a picture and save it for that engine. It will store the picture on your phone/tablet, not in the Base3.
4. Some of the features do not work I have also discovered. The Train Brake for example and the EFX button (I'm still checking everything).
5. Send Lionel an e-mail for any discoveries of things not working at: TalkToUS@Lionel.com
Just FYI here is the way I am approaching Base3 Cab3 App. I haven't attached it to my layout.
I had made a Multi Engine Module but decided to sit in my easy chair and get familiar with the Base3 and Cab3 app without stress and worry. I have my laptop to reference the Lionel Power and Control website and can enter all my engines and learn the system.
I have successfully added it to my network using the Cab3 app utility. I wanted to learn so I bypassed the WPS functionality and used the app. Once connected I verified I was talking and noted the IP address.
I have been adding engines and accessories manually. This is really giving me a feel for the app and the process to enter all of these. It also gives me the chance to familiarize myself to the app. All without attaching it to my layout. (BT and RF engines being the exception). I also started to take pictures for the display. Trying to decide the best angle and or what look I want.
Just for fun using the Cab3 app, I created a Black Module database copy, cleared the Base3 database and restored it from the black module.. It seemed to have successfully restored all of the 2 digit items including accessories and trains.
I've come across a few odd things that I am noting but so far this has been pretty fun and a good learning experience. If you just think of this as entering a Cab2 data but just presented slightly different the Cab3 App really parallels a lot of Cab2 just in a different view.
I've also been using Cab2 to enter some. The systems seems very transparent in this regard. The biggest thing to remember is reserving those early addresses if you are going to add BT and RF engines.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:The picture depends.
The way you are doing it manually is the same process as before. So, since you do not have a sensor track, then there are 2 ways to load engine info.
1. The manual way you are doing it.
2. Create a Multi-Engine Memory module with the Black module and then load engines from that (one by one right now). However, to do that you must use the Legacy System Utility on your PC and connect to your Legacy Base to create the module. If you don't have that setup, then you can't create the module and can only do it manually.
3. On the Bluetooth side the picture comes down automatically. On the Base3 side you can take a picture and save it for that engine. It will store the picture on your phone/tablet, not in the Base3.
4. Some of the features do not work I have also discovered. The Train Brake for example and the EFX button (I'm still checking everything).
5. Send Lionel an e-mail for any discoveries of things not working at: TalkToUS@Lionel.com
Thanks Sean. Will definitely be reporting the issues in functionality.
Regarding the locomotive image, the instructions on the lionel.control.com website seem to indicate that if an image is available from the Bluetooth side of the app, that it would move forward to the Cab3 side, assuming you are connected to the outside internet and not just directly to the Base3. All of my engines are new in the last few years and their images show up on the Bluetooth side, so not sure why they are not appearing on the Cab3 side.
Per the site: If an image of a programmed engine is not available from Lionel’s online Bluetooth engine database, or if you haven’t taken a photo of the engine to use, then a default image will be displayed.
Marty, when you say the Lionel Cab3 App, are you using iOS or Android?
Cuz I didn't see squat in the Android app. To be honest, I pushed the thing to a shelf and went back to Cab1/Base1, so frustrating, cannot even turn the power on the to track.
@illinoiscentral posted:Marty, when you say the Lionel Cab3 App, are you using iOS or Android?
Cuz I didn't see squat in the Android app. To be honest, I pushed the thing to a shelf and went back to Cab1/Base1, so frustrating, cannot even turn the power on the to track.
I’m using iOS. Not sure what you mean you did see squat? Do you have the latest version of the app?
@BAM Railroad posted:Thanks Sean. Will definitely be reporting the issues in functionality.
Regarding the locomotive image, the instructions on the lionel.control.com website seem to indicate that if an image is available from the Bluetooth side of the app, that it would move forward to the Cab3 side, assuming you are connected to the outside internet and not just directly to the Base3. All of my engines are new in the last few years and their images show up on the Bluetooth side, so not sure why they are not appearing on the Cab3 side.
Per the site: If an image of a programmed engine is not available from Lionel’s online Bluetooth engine database, or if you haven’t taken a photo of the engine to use, then a default image will be displayed.
Not quite. The images won't move from the BT side to the Base 3 side. However, any engine from the 2022 catalog forward will pull down an image if it is run over the sensor track. if you don't have a sensor track then you can take a photo, crop it and it will store with that Engine ID. See Below.
Online Database Images
Many locomotives can also have their specific image imported from Lionel’s online database. These include the following:
- RF LionChief & LionChief Plus
- Bluetooth LionChief, LionChief Plus, and FlyerChief
- 4-Digit Legacy
- Legacy locomotives from the 2022 Big Book Catalog and beyond**
**Legacy locomotives from the 2022 Big Book Catalog and beyond require running over the LCS SensorTrack for their image to appear in the APP.
Any locomotive that is not part of the above list cannot have its image imported as there is no compatible mechanism in place to allow that to happen. The above locomotives all feature some form of 2-way communication that allows for the APP to know which SKU is connected so that it can download the appropriate image.
Older TMCC and Legacy locomotives, even ones equipped with earlier Bluetooth and/or Track IR, were never designed to send back information regarding its SKU identity.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:Any locomotive that is not part of the above list cannot have its image imported as there is no compatible mechanism in place to allow that to happen. The above locomotives all feature some form of 2-way communication that allows for the APP to know which SKU is connected so that it can download the appropriate image.
Seems that they could still allow you to take a picture and import the image, the restriction to those categories seems to be artificial.
Lionel Cab2 app version 1.1.011, last updated on July 22, 2024 on Pixel 3aXL, which does NOT have the latest Android OS. My normal phone is a Pixel 7. The 3aXL refuses to die, probably because I slow charge it, and try to keep all backgrounds black, and run dark mode.
I see no way on how to configure; no "hamburger", no "three bars", no "gear" to configure. I don't use Android "gestures". At the moment the the Base3 is unpowered.
(I have decided to return Menards O72 switches, but I want to write something up before returning them about what engines and cars had problems on them. And maybe try Lionel E8s and MTH E8s on it, if time permits this weekend. Rainy in Chicagoland, so the Base3 going to be "pushed onto the stack").
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@Sean's Train Depot posted:Not quite. The images won't move from the BT side to the Base 3 side. However, any engine from the 2022 catalog forward will pull down an image if it is run over the sensor track. if you don't have a sensor track then you can take a photo, crop it and it will store with that Engine ID. See Below.
Online Database Images
Many locomotives can also have their specific image imported from Lionel’s online database. These include the following:
- RF LionChief & LionChief Plus
- Bluetooth LionChief, LionChief Plus, and FlyerChief
- 4-Digit Legacy
- Legacy locomotives from the 2022 Big Book Catalog and beyond**
**Legacy locomotives from the 2022 Big Book Catalog and beyond require running over the LCS SensorTrack for their image to appear in the APP.
Any locomotive that is not part of the above list cannot have its image imported as there is no compatible mechanism in place to allow that to happen. The above locomotives all feature some form of 2-way communication that allows for the APP to know which SKU is connected so that it can download the appropriate image.
Older TMCC and Legacy locomotives, even ones equipped with earlier Bluetooth and/or Track IR, were never designed to send back information regarding its SKU identity.
Gotcha . . . with the Base3, what is required, other than the LCS SensorTrack 6-81294 to get it working? Does the SensorTrack come with the serial cable and wall pack, or do you have to purchase the 6-81499 cable/power pack separately? Doesn't appear that the Base3 has a serial port . . . would you need a serial to USB adapter? Thanks!
@BAM Railroad posted:Gotcha . . . with the Base3, what is required, other than the LCS SensorTrack 6-81294 to get it working? Does the SensorTrack come with the serial cable and wall pack, or do you have to purchase the 6-81499 cable/power pack separately? Doesn't appear that the Base3 has a serial port . . . would you need a serial to USB adapter? Thanks!
The Base 3 now has 3 PDI ports to connect your LCS devices (sensor track being one of them). So, you just need a sensor track & the PDI cable to connect it. You do NOT need a separate power supply cable anymore as it is built into the Base 3.
The Base 3 does not have a Serial port, but if you needed one (say to hookup the MTH DCS to the Base3) you just need to buy the LCS Serial Module and connect it to one of the PDI ports, or daisy chain it to another LCS module. Then you have a serial port.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Seems that they could still allow you to take a picture and import the image, the restriction to those categories seems to be artificial.
You can add an image you take on your device to any engine in the app. Thats not an issue.
What that statement means is Automatic import from the Lionel database cannot happen on those engines, that's all.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:The Base 3 now has 3 PDI ports to connect your LCS devices (sensor track being one of them). So, you just need a sensor track & the PDI cable to connect it. You do NOT need a separate power supply cable anymore as it is built into the Base 3.
The Base 3 does not have a Serial port, but if you needed one (say to hookup the MTH DCS to the Base3) you just need to buy the LCS Serial Module and connect it to one of the PDI ports, or daisy chain it to another LCS module. Then you have a serial port.
Sean, what about this USB port?
Pete
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@illinoiscentral posted:Lionel Cab2 app version 1.1.011, last updated on July 22, 2024 on Pixel 3aXL, which does NOT have the latest Android OS. My normal phone is a Pixel 7. The 3aXL refuses to die, probably because I slow charge it, and try to keep all backgrounds black, and run dark mode.
I see no way on how to configure; no "hamburger", no "three bars", no "gear" to configure. I don't use Android "gestures". At the moment the the Base3 is unpowered.
(I have decided to return Menards O72 switches, but I want to write something up before returning them about what engines and cars had problems on them. And maybe try Lionel E8s and MTH E8s on it, if time permits this weekend. Rainy in Chicagoland, so the Base3 going to be "pushed onto the stack").
Not exactly sure what you are trying to do, but in your screenshot your Wi-Fi indicator is Red which means you are Not connected to the Base3. It must be green before you can do anything. So, you need to connect through wi-fi first to the base3.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:You can add an image you take on your device to any engine in the app. Thats not an issue.
What that statement means is Automatic import from the Lionel database cannot happen on those engines, that's all.
Oh, that's to be expected! I didn't expect Lionel to have all the stuff that was ever produced with TMCC or Legacy in their graphic database! I'm sure I'd have to have my own picture of the Wienermobile to configure that one! 
As long as there's a way to configure those items that there's no graphic for, that's all you can reasonably expect.
@Norton posted:Sean, what about this USB port?
Pete
The USB is just for future use to connect to a PC for example. No use for right now.
Sean's Train Depot , Thank you for all your support on this. I have all my engines loaded, tackling my lash ups next.
I am able to manually program my entire fleet, with the exception of my F7 AA units, https://www.lionel.com/product...et-1468-1469-2233850
Is there some trick to programming the AA units vs. any other engine? Assume I need to program one at a time and ultimately program as a train. However, neither are responding when I enter a new TMCC ID.
Believe they are now out of warranty, but hoping Lionel would repair since I had no way of testing this function until the Base3 arrived.
Thanks
@BAM Railroad posted:I am able to manually program my entire fleet, with the exception of my F7 AA units, https://www.lionel.com/product...et-1468-1469-2233850
Is there some trick to programming the AA units vs. any other engine? Assume I need to program one at a time and ultimately program as a train. However, neither are responding when I enter a new TMCC ID.
Believe they are now out of warranty, but hoping Lionel would repair since I had no way of testing this function until the Base3 arrived.
Thanks
I think the f7 A units need to be the same id to run. Together, at least with the cab2 that's how it works. Have them both in program at same time and both on track
@tom21pa posted:I think the f7 A units need to be the same id to run. Together, at least with the cab2 that's how it works. Have them both in program at same time and both on track
That did it, thank you!
I should have said I was responding to MartyE. Yes I am aware the wifi icon should be green, it was green, I disconnected because I want to get Menards switches off the to-do list. The question is/was is there a difference betwixt Android and iOS versions of the app.
Is the smoke setting from a previous run stored in memory for the next time you bring up that particular engine? If I turn off smoke during a run because it’s getting low, will the Base 3 default to on the next time I run that engine?
Gene
@Alabama Joe posted:Sean's Train Depot , Thank you for all your support on this. I have all my engines loaded, tackling my lash ups next.
With the help of a YouTube, the Lash Up set up, was pretty straight forward.
Hey did I find a bug or is it user error? I have a 2023 Visionline Big Boy - no startup button? This is my very first exposure to Legacy... see attached. Thanks!
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@Rollsington posted:Hey did I find a bug or is it user error? I have a 2023 Visionline Big Boy - no startup button? This is my very first exposure to Legacy... see attached. Thanks!
The Eng button on lower right will toggle between the screen that has startup/shutdown buttons and your main engine screen. Use the Engine button to toggle back and forth. The legacy remote worked in the same way.
Good to go! Weird how the engine ID sets back to all 0's though... Thanks!
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I'm guessing the road number setting back to all zeros is probably a bug.
@Rollsington posted:Hey did I find a bug or is it user error? I have a 2023 Visionline Big Boy - no startup button? This is my very first exposure to Legacy... see attached. Thanks!
Push ENG. the startup and shutdown are there.
Latest issue of the moment is programming trains. No issue programming initially, but the train (when I go to run it) picks up other locomotives and trains running on separate tracks. I can tell when programming, even though I do not select the other locomotives, that the new train when writing back to the base causes the horns of the train being programmed, and the horns of other locomotives to blast. Therefore, when I go to run the train, I get other locomotives and trains moving. I have tried deleting and reprogramming the trains, with the same issues. I have confirmed that I am using unique TMCC ID's for all locomotives and trains. Any thoughts?
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I'm guessing the road number setting back to all zeros is probably a bug.
I’m pretty sure that’s the TMCC ID.can’t explain why it’s all zeros.
@Sean's Train Depot posted:The Eng button on lower right will toggle between the screen that has startup/shutdown buttons and your main engine screen.
Sean, In the very near future I envisage you as the author of the comprehensive "Lionel Base3 Companion."
@Rollsington posted:Good to go! Weird how the engine ID sets back to all 0's though... Thanks!
I hope this is a bug, but it also could be the way it is designed. Once you hit the ENG button again to go to the main engine screen the ID will show correctly.
@MartyE posted:I’m pretty sure that’s the TMCC ID.can’t explain why it’s all zeros.
I was stating that I think the zeros are a bug. OTOH, maybe that's the 4-digit TMCC ID and for anything that doesn't support it, it's zero. All are guesses. 
@Sean's Train Depot posted:I hope this is a bug, but it also could be the way it is designed. Once you hit the ENG button again to go to the main engine screen the ID will show correctly.
It also changes from ID to ENG, so maybe Marty's on to something. However, I doubt his TMCC ID for that engine is zero...
When I get an engine on the screen what button do I push to start the engine
@GAN Railroad posted:When I get an engine on the screen what button do I push to start the engine
Technically, any button such as horn, bell, throttle. To initiate start up sequence, press ENG button and you will see the keypad along with on and off buttons in lower left corner of keypad.
