Lionel H-10 Western Allegheny - one last thread - I'll keep it short.

I imagine those screws and spacers are for Kadee installation on the tender but I could be wrong. 

Will is correct. Lionel is packing kadee mounts with a lot of their stuff these days, so that's what those are for.

Thanks,

Eric Siegel

I have the exact same engine runs great no problems, knock on wood.  Enjoy yours.!!!

I am opening my Western Allegheny H-10 #85 after dinner.  

I have had LED lights that were dim at first, become brighter after a few hours of use.  I would wait on opening the tender for that marker lighting issue.  (The right rear light on my SP GS-4 #4449 tender became brighter with run-time.)  Now both sides are the same.  Give it ten hours of time.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Thanks Will and Eric - got a set with the USRA Pacific too.

John, thanks for the heads up on the tender light LED!  John, there are a lot of pictures on this thread: https://ogrforum.com/...41#81819043009796241

Keep us up on your H-10 work.

ericstrains.com posted:

Will is correct. Lionel is packing kadee mounts with a lot of their stuff these days, so that's what those are for.

Thanks,

Eric Siegel

Eric,

Will you be doing a video review of this locomotive ?

Ran the H-10 last night on my carpet layout garnished with buffalo snow and Christmas tree and lights under the snow and lights along the ceiling - doesn't get better than this.

This locomotive smokes like crazy from the stack and whistle - much better than my previous legacies.  OK, I'll bite, so what changed in these components - fans, resistors, thermistors???????

ericstrains.com posted:

Will is correct. Lionel is packing kadee mounts with a lot of their stuff these days, so that's what those are for.

Thanks,

Eric Siegel

Now I know what that "plastic-thing-and-screws-in-a-bag" is that came with the theater car. Thank you for the information.

Here is a video of my Pennsy Lines H10 at my club (BDSME Bethlehem Pa):

Ran great right out of the box. Smoke, whistle smoke and Oh that swinging bell are terrific.

JohnB

Got the WA & the LIRR, they both are fantastic!

Think most would agree that the Lionel Legacy PRR H9/H10 locos have been a big hit with many. If Lionel is looking for other road names that used H9/H10 locos then don't forget the NPBL RR (Norfolk, Portsmouth Belt Line) which was using PRR H10s in 1956 when they dieselized. R. Prince's book on the RF&P has a section on NPBL steam through the years.

RickM46 posted:

This locomotive smokes like crazy from the stack and whistle - much better than my previous legacies.  OK, I'll bite, so what changed in these components - fans, resistors, thermistors???????

Lionel changed something in the smoke unit software code starting with the AC-9 Legacy engines. I have two of them and they are much more prolific smokers than most previous Legacy engines, excepting the first run Legacy 6 Ohm heating element FEF-3's and a few other engines of the same vintage. Exactly what it is they changed they have not said - and probably won't and I can't guess. Maybe it allows more power to the heating element (I can't think of anything else) but the improvement in smoke output is considerable. I am betting that the downside is reduced life of components but that is also a guess.

Hancock52; yep, unless the techs tell us, can only guess as to why the newer smoke units go bonkers.

RickM46 posted:

This locomotive smokes like crazy from the stack and whistle - much better than my previous legacies.  OK, I'll bite, so what changed in these components - fans, resistors, thermistors???????

For one, if you shine a light down the stack there's one fat *** resistor in there.  The biggest one I've ever seen. It almost blocks the entire stack opening.

The fans run strong and don't make the sickening grinding whine of previous units. Lionel may have finally figured out how to build a smoke unit.

I love my Lionel H-10 Pennsylvania Lines #1709 and Western Allegheny #85.  Lionel has done something correctly, but don't tell them.  They have a reputation to maintain.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Hi 

A truly impressive model.  Sounds and smoke effects are excellent.

What type of pilot do these models come with?  Someone said that it was not a foot board pilot that all the prototype engines had.  That it was the slatted pilot.  If all the models come with the incorrect slatted pilot, can that pilot be easily removed?  Or is it part of the frame?

Thanks in advance

If it's at all like my earlier issue 2-8-0, the pilot is cast as part of the frame...

Mark in Oregon

RickO posted:

RickM46 posted:

This locomotive smokes like crazy from the stack and whistle - much better than my previous legacies.  OK, I'll bite, so what changed in these components - fans, resistors, thermistors???????

For one, if you shine a light down the stack there's one fat *** resistor in there.  The biggest one I've ever seen. It almost blocks the entire stack opening.

The fans run strong and don't make the sickening grinding whine of previous units. Lionel may have finally figured out how to build a smoke unit.

RickO, I think you hit the nail on the head.  In the H-10, its a straight shot to the resistor and then the wadding.  In other locos there is a funnel or channels to distribute the fluid like those in the Big Boy and Niagara and maybe that explains meager smoke.

No "Pilot", but it does have an "Engineer".

With a good saw blade, I'm sure you could cut the slatted pilot off, but why?

One last thing: buffalo snow - as you see in my first picture, I used a thick version of the stuff on my layout; big mistake, too close to the track and it gets gathered into the trucks and locomotive running rails - pain to get it out; moved it back from the tracks.

Steam Guy posted:

Hi 

A truly impressive model.  Sounds and smoke effects are excellent.

What type of pilot do these models come with?  Someone said that it was not a foot board pilot that all the prototype engines had.  That it was the slatted pilot.  If all the models come with the incorrect slatted pilot, 

Thanks in advance

 

 

 

From an accuracy standpoint. The pilot is the least of this models problems.

Things like, the boiler is to long, and the driver spacing /position is incorrect. I believe the Belpaire firebox isn't quite right , too steep maybe? Technically the bell shouldn't swing either. In reality its Lionels rerun of  H9 tooling. It even says so on the builders plates on the smoke box.

This was covered in detail in previous H10 threads. 

This is  not a bash, I purchased one of these knowing full well the inaccuracies. Its still a super smooth runner with phenominal slow speed capabilities.

However, if your looking for fidelity to the prototype the MTH H10 is the way to go.

John,

Was hoping that the pilot was a separate piece so that one could replace it with the proper foot board pilot.

RickO...you are correct..the MTH model is a scale model of the PRR H10

Thanks to all for their input.