Lionel Legacy Pacifics

I wanna see them!!!!

I will post a pic of my NP (if it shows up).  I didnt see it listed on shipper to my dealer yet...  but some folks think they are on the way...

I have the Lionel Reading & Northern coming in from RO.  So I will put pics up too. 

I already saw some appearing on eBay.

Now the Pacifics are appearing in stores. Let's have a look at them!

Hope to get mine tomorrow nite.  Will post the NP.

Did any of dealers receive their Pacifics yet?  If so, please showcase them.

Still waiting on my R&N from RO. 

I ended up ordering a 425 and the R&N stationsound diner. Should have both Monday 

Lets see 425!!!!

Trainworld has them; ready to Add to Cart!  I have got to get more money.

https://www.trainworld.com/sea...=lionel+usra+pacific

After a 5hr drive to and back from LHS, im not likely to upload a picture tonite...  maybe later if i feel better.  What usually takes 2.5hrs was alot longer in traffic...

just got RO today

Turbine and Bob - do they run???

Ok...  here is Pacific!  I love it!!!!

Bob, those look great!! Thanks for the photos! That GN is eye catching

Any chance you could add a short video of the Pacific and Mallets? Would love to hear them.

Surefire posted:

Bob, those look great!! Thanks for the photos! That GN is eye catching

Any chance you could add a short video of the Pacific and Mallets? Would love to hear them.

I pulled the mallet pics off this pacific post...  i just started a 2-6-6-2 post so we can keep this post to pacifics!

What does the whistle sound like? Different bell sound I hope than the 4-4-2s?

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

What does the whistle sound like? Different bell sound I hope than the 4-4-2s?

Yep, me too!  Saw this video on Youtube but don't know if the new Pacific is similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jj-Ku-FyBc

Video is the Light Mikado, DOH!

...only to say that I agree with you; the Q6 is a stout-looking machine.

Mark in Oregon

J Daddy posted:

I have always been a BIG NP fan. Even hiked some of the NP main line in Montana. But I passed on this Lionel version. Was this an attempt at the NP's larger class Q6 4-6-2? It just misses the mark all together. I guess I will have to wait for a 3rd rail version, or maybe a brass Hybrid

 

The Q-6 Pacific was one of my favorite locomotives. Note the unique smoke tunnel cap, sand domes, bell position, large pilot wheels, heavy boiler,  missing feed water heater, and stout head lamp. Some were even painted with grey boilers as well.  What really is a bummer is they have the wrong valve gear and side rods on it 

Maybe another NP fan can chime in here?

J, this is typical of the big 3. This is a model of USRA Pacific. Only handful of Railroads got them, heavy or light. Not the NP. It appears the one you pictured is unique to NP. Maybe 3rd Rail will do one or maybe Lionel will do a hybrid but if they do a hybrid it would likely have the USRA drive. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Pete

At some point you guys have to just quit 3 rail and go to HO brass.  Thats the only way you will get the details you desire.

If you look hard enough, even the best o scale engines are not like the real engines.  There are way too many details on the real engines that just cant be replicated in any economy on a model selling 50 copies.

This is a fantasy scheme engine, to offer a painted model for NP fans, which there are very few of.

A train company just cant make a buisness case for specialized tooling for a few copies of an obscure engine that only two or three guys would order...

Still, any videos with sound and whistle of the new Pacific?

Hi rick...  i will thisafternoon...  i get out of work early today... 

Thanks Bob, will keep an eye out.

I should get a video by about 3pm...

Super O Bob posted:

At some point you guys have to just quit 3 rail and go to HO brass.  Thats the only way you will get the details you desire.

If you look hard enough, even the best o scale engines are not like the real engines.  There are way too many details on the real engines that just cant be replicated in any economy on a model selling 50 copies.

This is a fantasy scheme engine, to offer a painted model for NP fans, which there are very few of.

A train company just cant make a buisness case for specialized tooling for a few copies of an obscure engine that only two or three guys would order...

 

 

Going to HO is NOT an option for most of us like me. I think Lionel was on the right track with its Hybrid brass locomotive, however on round 2 of making the K2a N&W they picked a locomotive too close to the J, thus the low orders.

My point is why make a horrible fantasy item that almost insults the NP fan. This is not really helping the railroad modeling community. I still remember the NP version of the EM-1 from Lionel and almost fell off my chair. Next will be a UP challenger with a NP road name on it? 

less than 10 railroads had URSA type Pacific's. Why not just make those and move on? 

John...  i agree about the 2nd brass hybrid engine...  i didnt have the urge to get one.

My point is the production volumes in HO are so much larger, a company can do specialized scale brass items.  In O they just cant.

So you can't hold the O scale companies, to the HO standard...

The NP Em1 was also intended for the few customers who just wanted a EM1 in NP...  i have one and love it.  There was at least 25 of us who got that NP EM1.  The few fantasy schemes help to fill out the production run.

Got the R&N stationsounds today 

Here are some quick videos on the NP Pacific...  i forgot to ding the bell...  sorry...

Sounds like they used 425's whistle. Good news, I was hoping they would. Thanks for the videos 

Its a wonderful whistle!  

NICE WHISTLE

Does anyone have the R&N 425 or A&WP 290?

Bob, thanks for the videos!!  Compared to the rest of my locomotives, that whistle is unique - not bad!

Peter Araujo posted:

Does anyone have the R&N 425 or A&WP 290?

Me too, especially a video on the A&WP 290.

Surefire posted:

Got the R&N stationsounds today 

Could you add a video of the R&N stationsounds car

Along with the locomotives?

I did not pay much attention to these when they came out; nice, but not on my radar, as I'm about full.

Is the tooling based on the too-long B&O, Erie and Chicago & Alton Pacifics from the past? I think Lionel made a too-long PRR K-4 using this chassis, too, before switching to the K-Line tooling. The photos above do seem to show a loco that is too long in the firebox area for a Pacific. (I turned my TMCC "Erie" into a Hudson; waiting on re-lettering; makes a great freelance 4-6-4.)

I have the TMCC C&A 4-6-2; beautiful loco, but it's the length of the Lionel scale USRA Mountain.

 

less than 10 railroads had URSA type Pacific's. Why not just make those and move on? 

 

 

Actually, more USRA loco were built after the first allocations, as "copies" and later "based ons". This varied with type, but the USRA Light Pacific was a widespread basis. Also, the USRA-ness of a loco was not so much the surface appearance as it was the specs and dimensions

The beautiful USRA 2-6-6-2, popular with us modelers, was never copied, and only 30 were ever built.

Unfortunately, MTH in particular insists on calling its USRA 4-6-2 a "USRA Heavy Pacific", but it is actually more the Light Pacific above than the Heavy.

The old Samhongsa Williams brass USRA Pacific was pretty much a Heavy. Bigger boiler, different, lower domes. A huskier look.  

Love those whitewalls. Thanks.

Exciting, isn't it.

Any more Pacifics?

So no one received 425 or 290 yet, right?

Peter...  i want to see them too...

Super O Bob posted:

Peter...  i want to see them too...

Me too!!  I really like this locomotive; reminds me of the Lionels my buddies had in the late 50's; many hours of wonder.

I wonder what happened to the Conrail dome car...

Peter Araujo posted:

I wonder what happened to the Conrail dome car...

...???...

I thought the topic was "Pacifics"; you know: 4-6-2 steam engines... 

Mark in Oregon

I just got word from RO, my 425 will be here from FedEx on Saturday.

I like Fedex and USPS - they deliver on Saturday.

Pics and video, Laz! PICS AND VIDEO! Don't even let it warm up to room temperature! We need pics and video! Ahhh!

I love this pacific so much i am thinking about maybe getting that green b&o...  anyone order that?

Thought about the green B&O but wasn't sure of its in person color vs photos.

Here are some pics from the MrMuffins Trains website. I feel guilty using THEIR pictures so all credit goes to them. Shown below are 425 and the B&O. 

Anyone else?

Here’s the Southern Railway Pacific

Lionlman posted:

Here’s the Southern Railway Pacific

Let's see it in action!

Did anyone order the A&WP 290?

You DIRTY DOGS!  OMG...  i was just running my np pacific, loving that engine, then u guys post these!  Thanks for posting!  They look fantastic!

Peter Araujo posted:

Lionlman posted:

Here’s the Southern Railway Pacific

Let's see it in action!

That is SOO beautiful.  

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Here are some pics from the MrMuffins Trains website. I feel guilty using THEIR pictures so all credit goes to them. Shown below are 425 and the B&O. 

How could they be mad.  I think i need that B&O.

Hopefully they put that sand dome where it belongs.  Kinda looks like a supercharger sitting there on the side.

You make a good point.

Hard to tell on some of the ones in the catalog where the sand dome is located.

Actually, it's the steam dome that's dislodged.  The sand dome is right where it should be.

Rusty

That B&O engine sure looks nice. What color passenger cars would this engine have pulled? Pullman Green? Or did it also pull some later blue cars like what is shown in the same catalog as these engines.

Yea rusty... no sand pipes from it...

but with that dynamo sticking out, kinda looks like a blower!

Would anyone like to post more videos of theirs?

laz1957 posted:

I just got word from RO, my 425 will be here from FedEx on Saturday.

Can't wait to see the 425 tomorrow.

I saw a video of the Southern one on this thread: https://ogrforum.com/...10#81678117780990810

I'm surprised that the whistle on the Southern one is the same as the Vision Line Big Boy.

The video clips on YouTube I have heard of the Southern PS-4 whistle sound similar to the 844's whistle. The Big L probably thought close enough, use it...

And is less expensive.

Halloween Pacific, anyone?

the Peter Araujo posted:

Halloween Pacific, anyone?

It’s sounds were shown in a ryan and dave show a while back

Hey folks. At work today I was in charge of unboxing a few Pacifics for our display. Here are some shots of the 425, and I also compared it to the MTH version. Additionally, I grabbed some photos of the Halloween version. 

Now let's hope to see a video of 425 soon.

D500 posted:

Is the tooling based on the too-long B&O, Erie and Chicago & Alton Pacifics from the past? I think Lionel made a too-long PRR K-4 using this chassis, too, before switching to the K-Line tooling. The photos above do seem to show a loco that is too long in the firebox area for a Pacific. (I turned my TMCC "Erie" into a Hudson; waiting on re-lettering; makes a great freelance 4-6-4.)

 

Bingo! Every time I look at one of the new Pacific's the firebox gets longer. It's in dire need of a 2 axle truck lol.

 Having said that. I really hope those that ordered them enjoy them. 

Surefire posted:

Sounds like they used 425's whistle. Good news, I was hoping they would. Thanks for the videos 

I don't know if that's 425's whistle, but I'll have to see a video to confirm. Other than that, it sounds nice. Hope to hear 290's whistle soon.

I think Eric Siegel has the B&O Pacific after seeing it on his webcam.

I cant decide b&o or southern crescent in black...  so video would help me too...

Super O Bob posted:

I cant decide b&o or southern crescent in black...  so video would help me too...

Tough decision; I was at that point between the Atlanta & West Point (the black is beautiful) and the B&O (shade of green with yellow trim for it being different); such turmoil in our little world.

I was up all night thinking about it...  lol

I took a big chance and pre-ordered the Halloween Pacific - am glad to see it turned out very cool I can't wait to get it on the tracks.

Paul, can you give us a video of whistle and sound??

Good job Paul...  cant wait to see some videos on this one...

Any more Pacifics?

Peter, take it easy bud!

Those that got them aren't wasting time on the forum. They are off playing with their new toys!

I guess I'll just forget it. I was so caught up in my excitement, I was pushing people to post theirs (as a way of keeping this thread from dying).

I'm confused by the blue Lionel used. Looks like the old style color blue as opposed to the darker blue 425 currently wears, but they also chose to use the new style logo. Odd.

Same for the drivers and trailing truck which should be blue....they were able to color the other Pacifics....

I think the blue has to do with money. They probably don't have every color, so they use the closest ones possible. Or the blue has something to do with the lighting in the pictures.

Are the cab roof and walkways on 425 supposed to be black like the MTH version?

MichRR714 posted:

Are the cab roof and walkways on 425 supposed to be black?

Yes

Let me know when you receive your Pacific.

I saw Eric Siegel running his on the webcam before.

grp24 posted:

Those that got them aren't wasting time on the forum. They are off playing with their new toys!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not my video, but someone on the Tube was courteous enough to show his Lionel 425 in action.

The whistle sounds incredible. Easily a match for the whistle on the MTH model.

Here is my video I just got done recording.  Sorry for the poor quality, hope you like it.  I do, especially the whistle.

That’s a slightly edited 587 whistle

Those are some nice videos of the 425. Can't wait to see the Fried Green Tomatoes locomotive.

Roof is originally blue, under all that soot, according to these picrures...

Lionels blue looks really close to this photo of the real engine all cleaned up on this turntable.  The roof looks to be originally blue, then covered with soot.

Lionel model looks like the repaint on the turntable with the nice black pistons...  looks really good...

Sounds like the whistle for the Reading&Northern 425 is different than the whistle for the NP 2256; so not a generic whistle for the Pacifics?

Laz1957 - great video; was surprised that the tender did not have a backup light; however, the ash pan lights make up for it along with gauge lights.

laz1957 posted:

 hope you like it.  I do, especially the whistle.

 

But......which one do you like better laz???....... The MTH....... or the Lionel???.....

RickO posted:

laz1957 posted:

 hope you like it.  I do, especially the whistle.

 

But......which one do you like better laz???....... The MTH....... or the Lionel???.....

WOW RICK?  Man that is a tough one.  Lionel because of the whistle and whistle smoke or maybe MTH with the color and whistle.  I'm between a rock and a hard place but what a place to be.

Does anybody know what the A&WP 290's whistle sounds like?  I heard that Lionel is doing 290's actual whistle on it.

Not my video, but here's an example:

Super O Bob posted:

Roof is originally blue, under all that soot, according to these picrures...Lionels blue looks really close to this photo of the real engine all cleaned up on this turntable.  The roof looks to be originally blue, then covered with soot.

Lionel model looks like the repaint on the turntable with the nice black pistons...  looks really good...

I am no expert and my eyes are getting old but when I expand the photo, the roof vent cover in the above picture looks to be painted the same as the smoke box.  Doesn't look like soot covered blue to me.  Just my opinion.

Well I was not looking at that hatch.

The curved surfaces of the cab you can see the blue showing thru...  looks like soot to me.

This is the old scheme...  look at the other picture...  thats the one lionel model is.

I will go look for some other pics...  the other pic kinda looks like blue at the front edge, but its really hard to tell.  This cab surface is not as nicely finished as the piston housings that are clearly black painted...

Here you can see the blue top of cab better.  That hatch that is propped open is blue and soot covered, but you can see its blue here.

Talk about soot!  The top of boiler and domes are covered in soot here in this pic!

My 425 is on the way. I would love to see and hear the Halloween version if anyone can post/

turbine posted:

My 425 is on the way. I would love to see and hear the Halloween version if anyone can post/

I'd like to hear the same for the Atlanta & West Point #290 as well.

I guess nobody wants the A&WP 290 at this point. ravenhawk6910 and I are the only ones that are interested in it.

Pete, hang on, my A&WP showed up today from Trainworld; will be making a video in a few hours.

RickM46 posted:

Pete, hang on, my A&WP showed up today from Trainworld; will be making a video in a few hours.

That's great news! So excited for it.

Hi Kids,

My Pacific Atlanta and West Point 290 from Trainworld showed up today.  TW does a great job of double boxing the locomotives with enough padding to protect the original brown factory shipper - first rate!  Ordered it the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and got here (Florida) via UPS today, Monday.  It arrived in pristine condition in its factory foam - no loose parts - no damage.  Well, one minor issue, the micro red lens of one of the tender lanterns was laying in the bottom of the foam box - no worries, crazy glue fixed it.

Tender: no back up light but the lanterns are extremely bright.

Locomotive: blemish free; the side rods are held on with hex bolts and a wrench is included; nice red ash pan lights; cabin light; headlight; gauge lights; standard railsounds and CAB2 functions; the whistle sounds like a duplicate of the Big Boy and FEF3 - very loud; so far, lots of smoke from the whistle and stack - you can see the resistors thru the fill holes; 2 spare tires; smoke fill funnel; smoke dropper; 2 grease ports for the drive gears; no orange memory module.

There is a mystery: included in the box are 2 long black screws in a bag with black rubber spacers.

The video follows; didn't have smoke turned on; short video (pay no never mind to my finger in the lens):

Sweet pacific!

Been trying to register the VL Niagara and now the Pacific - no dice; the product numbers have not been added to their system.

Sounds are identical to the Southern PS-4 1372, but that's the type of whistle the 290 had.

After watching the videos of the real #290, I feel that the Legacy Blue Comet 833/N&W J whistle is closer in sound than the UP whistle for this model. Oh well. Just my opinion...

grp24 posted:

After watching the videos of the real #290, I feel that the Legacy Blue Comet 833/N&W J whistle is closer in sound than the UP whistle for this model. Oh well. Just my opinion...

Honestly, I have to agree the J/Blue Comet whistle does sound more appropriate. 

I think Lionel is still selling the replacement Blue Comet Legacy Lite sound board from 2013, so some might be able to do a quick board swap here if the boards are still the same construction.

I got to play with the Halloween Pacific last night - it is neat and I had some fun! Obviously, its a scale fantasy engine - and I like it and applaud Lionel for staying in touch with the light and fun aspect of the hobby for us scale-oriented alleged grownups. I am glad I ordered the cars, although they're not due until next year sometime.

I don't have a Smart phone so video will have to wait. I can tell you the sound clips are numerous and very well done ~ seems like a Dracula voice for the engine crew and spooky voices for the tower com -  and there's many different clips - I couldn't count them all. Bell is an excellent rendition of a spooky sounding bell, and whistle is screaming banshee - I think that's what its called. As always, Lionel's RS are the best.

Even w/o the cars the engine looked pretty cool running around my layout.

Mikado 4501 posted:

grp24 posted:

After watching the videos of the real #290, I feel that the Legacy Blue Comet 833/N&W J whistle is closer in sound than the UP whistle for this model. Oh well. Just my opinion...

Honestly, I have to agree the J/Blue Comet whistle does sound more appropriate. 

I think Lionel is still selling the replacement Blue Comet Legacy Lite sound board from 2013, so some might be able to do a quick board swap here if the boards are still the same construction.

Anyone ever replace a sound board?  Is soldering involved?

Kallus- I would like to see that.  That sounds cool.  Dracula is the conductor.  Of course he is.  Come   Sit down   Look into my eyes

Have fun.

RickM46 posted:

There is a mystery: included in the box are 2 long black screws in a bag with black rubber spacers.

Mine came with that and also in that bag was a traditional coupler, which I assume is for switching out the scale coupler for double heading I'm guessing.

Don't remember seeing a bag with the traditional coupler but still scratching my head over the 2 mysterious long screws.

Saw this video on the Blue Comet (Pacific?) by Mike R - good stuff, especially about lubrication and the rubber O ring on the whistle fill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqDSWeyel14

You can hear the sounds of the Halloween Pacific on Lionel's Facebook page on The Ryan & Dave Show.

Did anyone else get 290?