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Yeah, ok.  By the way, luv ya suit...

I also reached my peak, so to speak, with technology, with TMCC.  I built a couple layouts for people with Legacy and I just didn't like it as much.  Seemed like over complicating a good thing.  When I had to take down my pretty sweet TMCC layout I sold almost all my O stuff and bought some nice prewar pieces to run occasionally.  Some of my guys are ninety years old and still run and look beautiful.  I really like my collection of one each of the 500 freight cars.  If a toy can be that nice after 85-90 years, well that is pretty neat to me.

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Seems like "The good 'ol days"  are remembered as smooth sailing on all fronts.

But it also seems like most folks wouldn't give up all their new-fangled technology without a fight. Do you know anyone who recently installed a coal fired furnace in their home? I don't.

The model train technology-longevity squabble appears here every so often and it is a good debate to have as long as you're not out to point fingers at those who don't agree with you. 

As far as current model train technology shooting craps some time down the road...so what? Perhaps in the future there will be a substitute mess of train guts that will be cheaper than what's available now? 

I don't avoid buying new technology just because it might wear out. Everything wears out eventually. When it does you either repair it, replace it or junk it. Just like your modern furnace!

Mark

PJB posted:
D500 posted:

"Today's new cars suffer from initial quality failures at a higher rate than most people think because it may not affect them - ask a Subaru owner how their battery's been holding up lately or how many millions of new cars owners had recalls recently because of airbag failures." 

You're right - my 1972 Demon 340 never had an airbag recall. Its ABS was dead reliable, too.

What? Oh.

Modern automobiles are superior in every way to the old stuff when comparing the systems (engine, suspension, driveline, brakes, bearings, alignment, comfort, heat/cooling) that they both shared. When is the last time that you had to have your front-end aligned on your modern car, for example?

But I drove a million safe miles without ABS, 27 airbags, engine check lights (I looked at the gauges, duh - oh yeah, we had gauges, at least in my Chrysler products) and a plethora of interconnected systems. I question the value of many - not all - of them.

Common sense is still a valuable thing - which is why I have not and will not go beyond TMCC with my control system. It may not do all that everyone wants to do, but it does so for me. It has been very reliable. What you don't have (Legacy; ABS; smoking crew members) cannot fail.

Guys - are you seriously taking my analogy and turning it into a debate about whether an old car lasts longer than a new car?   

If you read the post and my reply to it, I said:  "assuming my children find any value in any of this stuff, I think I'd want to give them the locomotives that provided us with the most fun memories or that have the most fun features. Similarly, if I had a Lincoln town car that still ran great and a Boss 429 with rust and in need of a rear end and transmission, I think I'd sell the Lincoln and give my children the Boss 429."

Meaning, to me, I value the joy toy trains bring to our lives.  And that joy has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the train that brought the most joy outlasts one of our other toy trains.  

As far as automobiles go, the new technology gives us peace of mind.  For those of you old enough to have owned cars in the sixties and older, in other words, the distributor cap days, drum bakes and so on.  Tune ups and shoe replacements occurred much more often than they do today.  The average life span of a car was 50,000 miles.  Without undercoating, the body would rust out.  10,000 miles on a set of tires was good.  Oil changes were more frequent.  Clear coating was unheard of.  

Compare our cars of today and you can see that an automobile is one less thing to worry about.  We just get in, turn the key and go for 150,000 miles or more.  I worked with a guy many years ago that had an early Honda Civic.  He claimed he never changed the oil and had well over 150,000 miles on it !!!

A car is one thing, but a toy train that we purchase to take our minds off of the troubles of the world, is another.  I for one, don't want to spend upwards of a thousand dollars for a locomotive only to have it go in for service as soon as I receive it.  This is another reason I have turned to Post-War Lionel.  

Interesting and I wonder many would think to go find the old plastic scout locomotives that were made? Ask those who had to repair the, and they were throw away units even back then. 

The problem as I see it is who controls the manufacturing process? Things are designed within a certain parameter and the desinger expects them to last for the intended purpose. Throw in bad manufacturing fr9m outside suppliers, counterfeiting, and unforeseen failures in the design and we arrive where we are at today. Since manufacturing is so large scale it is often cheaper to just replace then item versus repair. The spares we see on the Lionel website are often extra whole units from the run that are parted out. Since manufacturing is not done at home there are never extra parts for service made.

A big difference from 65 years ago......not right but just different.

Dan Padova posted:
PJB posted:

A car is one thing, but a toy train that we purchase to take our minds off of the troubles of the world, is another.  I for one, don't want to spend upwards of a thousand dollars for a locomotive only to have it go in for service as soon as I receive it.  This is another reason I have turned to Post-War Lionel.  

Isn't that the truth!  To me model trains should be fun, I don't see how that be could accomplished when something like this happens. I see no need to upgrade my roster if I continue to run into  just out of the box equipment failures. Not worth the time, aggravation and money.

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